Queens Reconsidered...Reconsidered

Happy New Year, everyone!

I had every intention of laying out David's role in the reopening of the Queens investigation because there is quite a lot to discuss as David was very busy with his clue campaign. 

Yet while working on it I reached a point where I started to worry that I was basically explaining TUE to people who should have read it but refuse and to people who have read it but don't understand it - not to mention the rest of you good folks who don't need your hands held.  

Is it really my problem if you haven't read it? Nope.

What about people who have read it but can't comprehend what it says? Well, those people have proven to be absolutely hopeless so fuck 'em. 

However there are still a couple of things I'd like to point out.

I see no evidence that David and Maury ever paired-up and devised the cult theory together. David was sending out clues in late-1979 and Maury was not even on his mailing list until early 1980. If anyone has evidence, by all means, let's see it. We keep hearing that's what happened.

For example, note the date on his letter to Felix Gilroy:

 

(Btw, The original was discovered on the Internet Archive by our friend Parker and can be seen here.)

And now look at the date when Dave and Maury officially began their correspondence:

Once you really take a look at the timeline you'll see that Maury discovered the cult angle on his own and in a roundabout way Berkowitz confirmed it during the Gilroy deposition; as you read it, the deposition, you'll notice David's tales of diabolism became a little less fantastic and a little more specific. Not only that but information uncovered by Maury seemed to dovetail.

We've also been told that Maury and Berkowitz implicated members of the Carr family out of some desire for revenge. If that's true, why would they even bother coming up with the cult angle? Again, where are the receipts? "Trust me, bro," does not work with people you cannot trust. 

Back to the Gilroy letter, I found it interesting that Maury left something out when reporting it's contents:

Why would Maury keep that to himself?

Likely to vet information and/or informants. Maury mentioned this very tactic on page 386 (TUE, 2021 edition). 

Because I'm aware that not everyone who reads this blog or participates in the discussion does so with honorable intentions, we're back to explaining things to people. There's a reason Maury played some of his cards close to his chest, and when you consider all of the wolves in sheep's clothing we've seen over the past few years, who can blame him? 

Hard to understand? Not really.

Maury was conducting a real investigation. He would not have been satisfied by, say, simply letting one person clear ten suspects. He dug deep and yeah sometimes it got messy. 

And let's get serious about something: how many people are going to come forward and say to a newspaper reporter, "duh, yeah, my [uncle/brother/dad/cousin etc.] was a notorious child pimp,” or, "they were on the take and kept their mouth shut"?

Cries of "why didn't Maury publish [this-or-that]" seem to come from people the least qualified to evaluate his work. 

That's enough for now. I love this crowd!!

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  1. Happy New Year! Good to see the blog back with new postings, now that the holidays are over. Is it ironic that Maury's article on satanic cults linked to Son of Sam hits the front pages of the Gannet Westchester/Rockland papers on October 24th, 1979 and Berkowitz's letter to Gilroy addressing satanists and the occult is the next day - October 25th? Perhaps. I think all anyone wants by this time in 2025 is Berkowitz to come clean on which real story is the truth - If he didn't act alone, start giving the connections specifically. Most of the people that could be involved are dead or in their 70s or 80s plus now. If he acted alone, give pertinent details that are not known publicly and answer questions like Carl Denaro was seeking on his recent visits the last couple of years. And explain why he went along with Maury and strung along victims and their families. But, he won't do anything since he wants to stay relevant and will take the real story to his grave.

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    1. Thank you very much!

      The October 24th/25th timing is interesting. However, back on October 15th of that year, Dave was asking Dee for clippings related to Druidism and animal sacrifice. And a few days prior to the Gilroy letter he’d sent that book about witchcraft to Gardner. Just saying, in case you found the timing a little too convenient for David to hitch his wagon to Maury’s theory.

      One more thing about the Gilroy LETTER. There’s some interesting stuff in that link aside from the correspondence. 👀

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    2. Yes, there are some nuggets in that link, but also seeing "the same old, same old" on Berkowitz - trying to be cryptic with knowing things specifically about the Perry case, that are not known publicly. But, when questioned, saying he got all his info on Arlis Perry from article clippings sent to him by Dee Channel. This is the game he's played from the get go and still playing to this day. He plays both sides of the street to muddy the waters.

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    3. That’s a reasonable assessment, anon.

      I’d be lying if I said David doesn’t frustrate the hell out of me.

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    4. Anon, I would like to add one thing about David. He did and probably still does have to walk a pretty fine line when it comes to naming co-conspirators. They don’t take kindly to snitches where he lives.

      In the post I abandoned, I noted that it wasn’t too long after his press conference where he backed away from the demon dog story that his throat was slashed. I have to wonder if a chatty David made some people nervous.

      I also noted that the alleged perpetrator was a biker. Funny enough, the cult is said to have employed bikers from time to time for security. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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    5. The throat slashing happened in 1979 when everything was fresh, most were alive and Queens DA was poking around. I agree if this was even 1985 or 95, but who in 2025 is going to care IF a conspiracy was involved? - some dog and cat lovers in their 80s in Utah? The Grain Queen in Maryland? A former Track star in Colorado? etc? Giving these people too much credit, that they have that kind of reach in 2025. Berkowitz didn't seemed to be too concerned when he was spewing to Maury on national TV in 1990s or handing out Process literature as recently as a year or two ago to Carl. Again, most are geriatrics, in graves or just don't give a hoot in 2025. (ahhh, me hoot!)

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    6. @me hoot

      I’m going to be completely honest with you: I am 200% black pilled when it comes to the idea of anyone still alive seeing a day in prison. Just ain’t in the cards.

      That’s not the point of the blog anyway. I’m not 1-800-PRISON-TIME. I just correct the record when it comes to these myth-makers having their way with Maury.

      By the way, I have a question for everyone. Does anyone else think that these people who fancy themselves to be Son of Sam Influencers (gag me) not only believe that a certain someone is guity, but also admire them for getting away with it? Just something that occurs to me from time to time when I read their comments.

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  2. Btw, why do people believe it to be impossible that David would join a cult full of like-minded people? Seems he’d be easy pickins for them. And we do know he was a “joiner”.

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  3. Pro tip: doxxing someone means your argument is shit if you have to stoop that low. OY VEY!

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  4. Agree. Some things should be held and not dumped out there for everyone.

    This includes dumping on the Internet Archive before documents , including source names, suspect names, associate names, witness names are vetted properly.

    I have one doc I've been trying to authenticate, cross referenced some material with other documents I have that are sensitive, and I was extremely disappointed to find the document recently uploaded to the Internet Archive. No idea who provided the person with the document, but I know it came from me. The document should not have been distributed.

    Very over how this community data dumps.

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    1. Maybe some people are tired of all the gatekeeping from all the various factions involved, whether they be on the Psycho Circus side of the aisle or the supposed "White hats" side.

      I've seen more gatekeeping and agendas in this case than I've seen in any 5 other cases I follow combined.

      TD

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    2. If you're talking about the G Kelly document, no it didn't! I told you I had that document since February. I kept it to myself. But once I saw that it was circulating, I gave it to the person who posted it.

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    3. @TD

      Amen...oh lordy, AMEN.

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  5. @TD Arguably, investigative journalists take an oath to protect names. Same with the field of criminology. A premature release of names can hamper an investigation, and it can cause vigilantism.

    I've seen documents that have very sensitive information including social security numbers. And, if a person is alive, their names should be redacted.

    Unclear who the "Psycho Circus" is or the "White Hats" . But I am personally not ok with people getting injured or harrassed on my watch. Too may people died early in this case. And, David Berkowitz has a slash on his neck for talking. But maybe really no one really gives a crap about people's safety in this case, including David. They just want their answers. This is why investigations should be left to people who are qualified investigators.

    I figure if I do not want my name doxyed through social media, I am certainly not up for maintaining a double standard. There are a lot of people who complain about getting doxyed and then turn around and dump docs. Pretty damn egocentric. Which is why I am very much over the vast majority of the people in this community.

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    1. The above comment is transparent in the sense that if you've ever been in touch with this person, their identity is clear -- possibly for the lack of self-awareness al by itself. How do you broker other people's "secrets" and then turn around and claim safety for all? Talk about a double-standard! You only want safety for yourself the people who remain in your good graces. Everyone else gets trampled.

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    2. Didn't you co-author with the dude that dumped the MT files (completely and 100% unredacted) right out there on the internet for all to see? I thought so. Has he done the same with other docs since? Yep.

      In case no one noticed, the G Kelly doc on Archive. org is redacted.

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    3. For those of us not in the loop, what is this "G Kelly" doc being mentioned?

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    4. The G Kelly document is an addendum to a prior report by the same firm on the Atlanta Child Murders. It provides additional detail on an investigation that supports a satanic cult scenario as the major contributing factor to the murders in Atlanta. It names the Process Church, discusses a relationship between the ATL and SoS networks, and goes on to discuss some of the findings that led to these conclusions.

      This document might not have ever seen the "light of day." Someone had been kind enough to give it to me, but since I don't share things without express permission, I tucked it away and said nothing - even to Dana, who is a trusted research bestie. About 2 months ago, though, I saw that someone else was circulating it, so I finally shared it with my friend. Dana redacted it and put it on Archive. org. This spawned a pissing match as to who the document "belongs" to. The "anon author" here is claiming that they are the original source of the document, but that is not what they told me in a text conversation on Nov 4. Like always, I keep receipts - including the receipt of my receipt of the doc in which it is named nothing like "anon author's" copy.

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    5. It’s astounding the display of unwarranted self-importance on display:
      I redacted the document. No one “owns” documents but it’s the audacity of people who claim they do, when they’ve contributed a whole bunch of nothing (feasible) to get things moving.
      I also can’t take someone seriously who accuses me of putting anyone in danger - bring that same energy to the person who dumped Maury’s files & repeatedly trashes David Berkowitz.
      Or is that an inconvenient truth?
      - Dana

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    6. Thank you for clarifying. Much appreciated! This blog seems to give a good pulse of what is currently being discussed out there in the overall SOS community. Please just realize, a lot of us are not in the loop on topics discussed elsewhere or behind the scenes. Sometimes, that might be a good thing! HA! Thanks again for the clarification!

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    7. "Sometimes, that might be a good thing! HA! "

      LOL

      Thanks for reading, anon!

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  6. The person you are referring to, I imagine? The only reason his name was attached to the article was because he provided the author with documentation for the article and the author is not comfortable with taking credit for obtaining the information.

    The information is in a memoir and is available when asked for. Published. The information also further ties in to additional research being done by others, so a judgment call needed to be made.

    Numerous people, including myself, have reported Manny Grossman for doxying. I'd recommend a lawsuit agains the NYPD and YouTube. But that is your choice. His pattern of behavior has been demonstrated.

    As for the Atlanta Child Murder doc? It came from me and has been validated. I know who provided it to you and who provided it to this person. Numerous people can validate this now. I'm tired of the disinformation, literally.

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    1. I received 2 book-long texts + an email last night - and it is legit some of the craziest sh I've read in my whole life.

      But let's just address the claim above: "It came from me and has been validated. I know who provided it to you and who provided it to this person."

      Are you lying now, or were you lying on Nov 4? --Because both things can't be true at once.

      And if you were lying to me on Nov 4, how many other people do you lie to? --You know... to get your information.

      These are rhetorical questions. Just something for the reader to consider.

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    2. @The author with reading comprehension problems: I WILL NOT OPEN ANY MORE OF YOUR MESSAGES.

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  7. Hey Parker!

    How did Manny find your real identity?

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    1. It's a big ol' secret, ain't it? Manny's quiet on the "how." He's been asked a number of times, but won't answer the question. No matter. I know how and everyone else will, too, when the time is right.

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  8. Did everyone enjoy Manny's latest wank-n-stank?

    1. Leave it to Manny to follow a trail of gay porn to see where it leads. SMDH.

    2. Manny likes to give David credit for being an excellent, pro-level writer to reinforce the theory that David wrote the famous Son of Sam letters. He then turns around and trashes David's blog for the writing. LMAOOOOO

    3. He referenced a letter from June 8, 1979 wherein David asked Dee Channel questions about Arlis Perry. He would have you to believe David knew nothing about Perry's murder that didn't come by way of newspaper and magazine articles.

    What he doesn't do is follow it up with the letter to Dee from October 15:

    "...Lee, who killed Arliss Perry? Did you ever wonder? You were surprised and you asked me how I knew of this case. How did I?..."
    -TUE, 2021 edition, page 312

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    1. It blows my mind how Manny continually lies to his audience yet no one bats an eye, i.e. there being no benches in Van Cortlandt Park (it's a lie). His viewers swallow every word whole without even examining it first. Some of these ppl are from the area. WTF. It's shameful.

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    2. Wank-and-stank is a perfect description, btw!

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    3. Lol, thanks!

      I’m excited to see who is dumb enough to invest money in this walking liability.

      - He just publicly named someone who kept their identity private due to harassment in the past.

      - He called out for someone to post “revenge porn” and tried to smear the victim as a drunk.

      - He sticks his foot in his mouth every chance he gets…

      Who watches all of this and says to themselves, now there’s a winner!

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    4. I can’t understand how he expects any serious outlet to consider him anything but a mental patient who’s manipulated his way to a scintilla of YouTube popularity. These AI generated images of David with half of the free world are……..should we say “spiritually sick.” We know he’s squatting but certainly he has something better to do than harass anyone who’s ever said the words ‘son’, complain about lockdown don and how NYBG did him dirty 20 years ago, and fuck around on the computer all day, giggling like AJ Soprano. And nobody thinks David shot Wendy but you, Wendy and Ruby. And even Ruby (I mean Moet) probably doesn’t believe it.

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    5. I also like to called them: "Walk and Croc" but "Walk and Stank" is also fitting.

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