The Lo-Fi Song of L. Manny Grossman (with unverified citations, unnecessary jazz, and distant police sirens)
Let us go then, you and I, When the algorithm is spread out against the sky Like a podcast script ethered by a desperate guy Trying to sound like Baudelaire with a mic and a Wi-Fi.
Let us go, through certain half-remembered threads, The muttering dead forums of chatroom dregs Where conspiracy lurks like a worn-out couch, And the smell of stale facts turns your stomach to a slouch.
(In the distance: whoop-whoop—sirens wail, fade, return)
Oh, do not ask, “What is it?” Let us scroll on, and misattribute it.
In the room the trolls come and go Talking of Berkowitz and “MK-Ultra,” yo.
The timelines twist like cheap cigars in summer, Flimsy logic laid out like bloated Yelp reviews Of murders Googled once, then stretched to fit a view That Flat Earth was too round to pursue.
For I have known them all already, known them all— The Zodiac, the Smiley Face, the call Of clout—it beckons, clickbait in a shawl. I have measured out my life in ad breaks and drawl. I know the voices fading with the fall Beneath the weight of my own bloated sprawl.
(Sirens closer now—doppler shift of doubt)
And I have known the Tiktok sleuths, the Reddit hive, Have watched them “solve” cold cases in a live. Is it irony they wear? Or just a vibe? Their logic tangled in a floss of lies. But should I, After casting all this shade and sigh, Have the gall to say: “This, THIS is true crime, guy!”?
And I have worn the Fool’s cap, yes— The philosopher-poet-YouTuber’s dress— A clown with quotes, half-read and under stress. In the Court of True Crime, all jesters strut and guess.
Shall I claim the Son of Sam winked at me? And said “Grossman, you’ve got the key!” Though I found it under a pile of old DVDs? No! I am not Joe Rogan, nor was meant to be; Am an echo, mostly noise, no pedigree. One that will do a podcast to explain, Spin a yarn, inflate the brain, Embellish facts, and entertain, Get coffee sponsorships, and mansplain—
At times, indeed, I think that Manny is a prophet— And at times, I think he profits.
(Another siren splits the air, then silence—doubt briefly arrests the feed)
Should I distort the record? Dare I skew? Do I dare invent an interview? I shall wear white earbuds, and stroll the stream, And talk to fans about my dreams of Cream. (They all believe me—they like the meme.)
We have lingered in the echo chamber’s gloom Lit not by ring-light, but by ego’s doom, Where Prince Machiavelli nods from his tomb— And claps politely from his smoke-filled room.
Till Truth, misunderstood, walks out of Zoom And drowns with clowns beneath the algorithm’s plume.
(Final siren fades—no arrest made, just another night online.)
LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT of MANNY, the Pink Elephant in the Room Filed in the Court of Unspoken Truths, County of Yonkers, State of Denial
I, MANNY, being of questionable character and unmistakable hue, do hereby declare this to be my Last Will and Testament. I revoke all prior wills, codicils, and cover-ups that pretended I wasn’t smack in the middle of every conversation, crime scene, and budgetary oversight.
I make this declaration freely and of my own volition, though admittedly under the heavy influence of watching one too many self-produced true crime podcasts hosted by my people who think “cause of death: suspicious” is a diagnosis.
ARTICLE I – BEQUESTS Section 1.1 – To Captain Joe Borelli I bequeath my right ear, in the hope that it will finally allow you to listen without interrupting, dismissing, or quoting outdated procedure manuals. May it echo eternally with the sound of your own voice repeating “standard protocol” like a spell from Magickal Childe.
Section 1.2 – To Detective Robert Klein I leave you my tail, since you’ve spent years chasing it anyway. May it forever circle the cold cases you swore were “just one tip away” from resolution. Also included: a complimentary podcast montage of people mispronouncing your name while citing my research findings that David Berkowitz lived out of his 1970 Ford Galaxie for 14 days in April of 1976.
Section 1.3 – To Detective Mike Lorenzo You are hereby granted my hindquarters, which you may recognize from every meeting where you covered someone else’s. Also included is my worn-out copy of “How to Solve a Case Without Actually Solving Anything: A Detective’s Guide to Looking Busy.”
Section 1.4 – To the City of Yonkers I leave my entire body—tusk, trunk, and unresolved municipal trauma included. Notably, I withhold my trunk, as it appears to have been responsible for the accidental water damage that compromised approximately 44% of your archived case files. Please accept my apology for the loss of integrity and ink. At the time, I was under the impression those boxes were marked “Recycle.” I also leave behind the illusion of transparency, which you’ve guarded more carefully than most of your public records.
ARTICLE II – SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS My remains are to be stored prominently in the Yonkers Municipal Building lobby, or anywhere inconvenient and impossible to ignore.
Any podcast covering this will must include the disclaimer: “We’re not lawyers, but we did spend 22 minutes Googling probate.”
All recipients shall refrain from saying, “This is shocking,” when nothing shocks them and they’re just buying time for a histrionic pause.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I, MANNY, have hereunto set my hoof this 1st day of May, 2025, while being very much aware that no one read this far, with the exception of Joseph A. Savino Jr., without "skimming".
Oh, speaking of Manny, that guy broke agreements with Josh, Carl, Caveman, god-only-knows-who-else, but we’re supposed to believe HIM? Manny says there’s no tape? Yeah okay.
The tape is going to have to wait a little while longer. Class is currently in session. He's got the crack peanut gallery right now working on the two Suzanne Conway pictures. They're doing a fine job both confirming AND denying the comparisons!
"I don't appreciate your ruse, Manny. Your ruse. Your cunning attempt to trick me." - Randal Graves "Clerks"
We Don't Love You, Sort of Goodbye, Manny Grossman"
(To the tune of "I Love You, Goodbye")
🎶 Verse 1: Manny Grossman, oh, it's time you go, Your gardening podcast's just a mess of woe. You barely read the books, but hey, you’ll try, Misinformation’s your game, but don’t ask why.
You move to Puerto Rico, think you’ll heal your soul, But the wifi’s slow, and the internet’s a hole. Then you ask for patience from the crowd, While your connection’s down, and your Wi-Fi’s loud.
🎶 Chorus: We don't love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman, Your impulsive live streams just make us groan. We don't care about your gardening tips, When you can't even keep up with your own lips!
Oh, and that podcast? Don't even start, Just like your "plants," it's falling apart. We don't love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman, Don't let the door hit you on the way out, man!
🎶 Verse 2: Oh, Manny, you think you'd build a brand, But your research is barely the shape of sand. You move to Puerto Rico, think you’ll thrive, But you’re too busy updating your “live” at 5.
Your soil’s all dry, your veggies won’t grow, Just like that Wi-Fi, it’s all for show. Maybe you should stick to your gardening, But don’t pretend your connection’s fine!
🎶 Chorus: We don't love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman, Your impulsive live streams just make us groan. We don’t need to hear you rant or whine, You’re buffering, babe, and running out of time!
Oh, and that podcast? Don’t even start, You’ve failed at research and playing the part. We don't love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman, Please leave before the signal dies again!
🎶 Bridge: Your bad Wi-Fi's worse than a bad review, It’s cutting out mid-thought, then what do we do? You’re planting seeds, but there’s no harvest in sight, Just like your podcast, it’s a failed delight!
🎶 Chorus: We don’t love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman, Your gardening skills? A sad, sad confession. We don’t need your live streams at all, When your connection’s as weak as your podcast’s fall.
So take your mic, your "plants," and your Wi-Fi, And leave Puerto Rico before we all die! We don’t love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman, And don’t even think of coming back again!
Hey everyone. Retirement is going great. I'm glad to put SOS behind me for the time being. This blog has been the source of much entertainment over the past few year or so. Big ups to Nate for writing. Very little to none of the conclusions are accurate about me or my work, but I give you all an A for effort. If you ever thought you were speaking to me in the comment section here, you weren't. This is my first, and probably my last, comment. Just wanted to pop in and say hi. I'll be in Puerto Rico in a month or so, so all y'all are gonna have to figure out a new boogeyman to hate. Try NEO, he's a lot more fun than I am. You'll get the best responses. Have fun!
Just make sure you don't tell NEO that his book is 99.9 percent bullshit and that, amongst other major lies, I was not in any way scared to go into the Neto attic. That particular subject drives him NUTS!!!!!
Funny, I have all the b roll footage from the Neto interviews and I'm on tape getting very excited about going up to the Neto attic. In fact it was my idea. Just don't tell that to NEO though. Somehow he's convinced himself of many things that never actually happened. If I cared enough I'd do a major show on him. You guys would love that I'm sure ; )
I have no idea if I’ll keep blogging or not. I’m really into cooking these days. Oh, I’m also into my “sTuPiD fUcKiNg CaTs” to quote one asshole who writes in to tell me no one reads the blog lol.
Maybe I’ll review the Netflix doc, maybe I won’t. Maybe it’s time for the next generation of haters to get in the ring.
I’ve said some nasty, vicious, borderline evil things both to and about you. And I’ll cop to all of it. You pissed me right the fuck off. And you’re not gone yet so there’s still time to piss me off again.
But Jesus Christ, I never went after your PET lol!! Hell, I tried to be a bro to Maxi warn you that Huskies can be difficult to live with (you don’t own a Husky, you live with a Husky).
WE threw in the towel with Maxie after the 4th month. Found him a great large private house with a huge backyard and another husky. So it all worked out.
As far as pissing you off, my SOS days are now behind me so someone else will have to take up that mantle. I never got offended because I'm just not wired that way. Being Gen X and growing up with John Waters and Howard Stern tend to take that out of a person. I find it all funny. At least you took the time to cross reference and write stuff. And at least you kept in the realm of this universe, unlike the lunatic Chris Clough of "Mekial, Bekial, Mekikal and Bekikal" fame.
It's just you, NEO and Rocker Mike left. Have fun!!!
I’ve had two Huskies. I love Huskies, don’t get me wrong, but for me it’s nothing but cats from here on out. And yeah I miss those dogs, but they can get pretty surreal.
Might just end up being Mike and Neo. Look, I’m fascinated by the case. Not MAURY, the case. All facets of the case. But I’m also old, set in my ways, and in the way.
As a person who came to SOS as a Maury fan, if the day ever comes where any of his story gets proven true I will be the first to retract my work. That is, after all, why I started the series.
So keep going. You have all his files. The most important ones that is, according to Carl Denaro, who specifically instructed us to scan the typewritten pages. Maury told him they were the most important.
I've found a few people on those lists, so if there is truly a cult story to tell, someone on them will tell you. Or at least steer you in the right direction. That's your only hope at this point because no one besides Maury did the work he did. Everyone else, from Levenda to McGowan just took Maury's work and rewrote it. You'll learn nothing new from them. Worse, Levenda called Henry Cinotti "Harry." He isn't even a good stenographer.
Now Manny. You didn’t get access to everything. And you yourself spent a lot of time scanning the handwritten stuff. You and Carl both.
The files Eric shared were divvied up. There was Carl’s folder. There was Max’s folder. There was Jess’s folder. And then there was one called “MT Shit” that had your finger in several of the shots. You even pointed it out once in one of your shows, “that’s MY finger”.
"shit" just referred to "stuff" as in "Maury's Stuff"
As far as scanning goes, yo, blame Jess D's boyfriend at the time. That cocksucker was a pain in the ass that day and we only stayed there like 5 hours. I was prepared to stay overnight.
Remember, I was his biggest fan when I scanned and named those folders.
Re Eric. All erics files were from me. I had given them to him several months earlier and he said "don't worry manny....I'll never betray you!" Lol! That didn't work out too well for me. In a way though it worked out because he forced the issue. I was sitting on maury's pile for quite a while and wasn't able to use them. Until it all ended up on PVDB, a site that definitely is suspect.
Why didn’t someone just get him and Jess an Uber if he didn’t want to be there? I mean fuck. Access to Maury’s files is kind of a Big Fucking Deal.
I felt the same way about the leak that I feel about this Netflix doc: there’s nothing anyone can do about it. I know some people were kind of upset with Eric. I personally got a phone call asking why I was telling Terry Heads to be nice to Eric all of the sudden (I got wind of the leak before a lot of them knew.)
These days I have a better understanding of why maybe those files should have stayed private. The greedy side of me wanted access, yes, but they weren’t meant for me or public consumption in general.
You said yourself, they’re just words on paper, so I don’t see why you went to the trouble of contacting people in those files to let them know Maury suspected them of being up to no good.
"You said yourself, they’re just words on paper, so I don’t see why you went to the trouble of contacting people in those files to let them know Maury suspected them of being up to no good."
I wanted answers. And when I got those files I truly thought that we had solved the case. So of course I was gonna find as many people as I could. Anyone else could have (and should have) done the exact same thing.
But a week after we got those files Carl started whipping up his people against me (remember, he thought erroneously that me and Zeman were "colluding" when he saw us talking privately the day we scanned.....but we were actually talking about landscaping). That was when the wars started.
Erics a weird guy and my advice to anyone is to steer clear. It's obvious he was playing some game with Dana, Parker and now Chris Clough. Perhaps he thought he could get back in my good graces? Who knows. I think he's scum and I haven't spoken to him since 2023.
Wether you guys were or were not colluding, you have to admit, it does look suspicious seeing as how you ended up with a Netflix doc and Josh is perceived as Mr. Netflix. People are going to connect dots. For better or worse.
Hell, I’ve been accused of being a Process sympathizer. Me!! Lol.
And I don’t know how much you’re aware of it, but it wasn’t just you who had people stirred up and angry. In the wake of Sons of Sam and your video series, files and posts that had sat on the TUE Facebook pages suddenly started to disappear. Goofy ass memes and random bullshit never vanished, just things that supported Maury’s work.
I have a pretty good idea who was behind it because I watched some Kevin Murphy documents I bumped one night get deleted in real time after a certain someone contacted me about them.
Here’s how I look at it: if Maury was such a damn dirty liar, then let the lies speak for themselves. Period. Don’t hide shit and try to rewrite the story.
And then we had a very high profile member of the “community” doing things like low-key endorsing the theory that Scout raped Maury among many other things. He has no proof, he just “suspected as much”. Thanks, dick.
I guess my point is, there was so much fuckery coming from so many different angles that it would be more surprising if people weren’t constantly at each others throats.
"Wether you guys were or were not colluding, you have to admit, it does look suspicious seeing as how you ended up with a Netflix doc and Josh is perceived as Mr. Netflix. People are going to connect dots. For better or worse."
-Again, we were not "colluding." Josh had a lot of gardening questions and because he had just done me a solid by fullfilling a dream of mine (showing me MT's files) I was happy to walk around his property for as long as he liked. We walked for about 15 minutes while everyone else was packing up. Carl totally got it wrong, and then acted on his wrong belief. And see....all anyone needed to do was ask me politely and I give honest answers.
And regarding Netflix....timelines are important. First off, your premise is wrong. Josh and I were talking about gardening, not SOS or documentaries. Plus Josh and I aren't buddies. He has threatened to sue me 3 separate times over the past 4 years. He despises me and I am not the biggest fan of his. My documentary was produced in 2024 by an entirely different set of producers/filmakers (same production company though) that have nothing whatsoever to do with Zeman. He was not part of this latest doc in any way, shape or form. And his name never came up during filming or in preproduction meetings.
I will say the chicanery behind the scenes trying to sabotage it are kinda sad. I would never do that to someone else. Yo, I'll admit it. If NEO or RM got a Netflix doc much like them I'd be fucking pissed and super jealous. It's just human nature. But I'd never in a million years try to sabotage someones success. Unfortunately that respect was not shown to me in any way, shape or form.
My suggestion to people is forget about it like I have. I only think about it because all y'all are constantly reminding me. We filmed it over a year ago. It's in my past and if it does or doesn't come out makes no difference to me. I know what we did, and I'm very proud of it regardless of what happens.
As far as Facebook chicanery and removing files etc.....take it up with someone else. I had nothing to do with any of it and am not even aware of the details of what you're talking about. I don't play stupid games. I do my work publicly under my real name and if I have a problem with someone I have zero problems taking the fight to them directly.
Maury's name wasn't mentioned once. It's about the truth about the SOS crimes, not some hack's discredited and debunked life's work. The only reason I participated is because it has nothing whatsoever to do with Maury.
I'm not privy to the final edit, but from what I know it's 3 hours of just the facts. The real story. Neither the official NYPD story nor Maury's bs. Both of those are equally useless in understanding the SOS story.
Maury Terry was a fantasy fiction writer. His time is over and no serious person cares about the guy anymore. No one's interested in praising or debunking him. He's a non-entity in 2025. He had a good run, but it's over.
I'm NOT a "Terry Head" (or a "Mauron") by no means and do feel Maury did embellish the story in order to make the story bigger than it was and to get a book published, but if it wasn't for Maury Terry, none of us would be here today discussing the Son of Sam case, let alone have any interest in it over the last 38 years (since the original "Ultimate Evil" was put out in 1987)
Anon, if someone were to say to me, "Nate, I've read TUE, I read Carl's book, I have studied the files, listened to Manny, etc., and I'm convinced David acted alone," I would shrug and say, "fine." That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion.
Me, I've done all of those same things and I think David had accomplices. And that's fine too.
I suppose I should do a blog post about that. Just to get it off my chest.
I mean...take for example Carl's shooting. I do not believe for one second that David said to himself, "ya know what, I think I'll shoot with one hand tonight. Just for shits and giggles!" Negatory. Berkowitz knew that gun had a kick to it. Also, coming from the army, he was also trained to shoot. You don't typically just shrug your military training and start freestyling.
Maury mentioned shell casings left at that scene. This suggests a backup shooter to me. So whether it was David or a woman holding the .44 that night, we're looking at the possibility of an accomplice.
Or how about the infamous Son of Sam letters. Where else in David's writings do we see that same penmanship? Isolating a single block letter from a checkbook or a grocery list isn't going to cut it for me. Where else does he write line after line in that Borelli or Breslin style? You don't have to be a handwriting expert to see that David's apartment notes do not match the Mr. Monster or Son of Sam letters. So to me, again, we're looking at more than one person involved.
Can I pin the crimes to a nation-wide Satanic cult? No. Not me personally. It's beyond my skill level. They didn't leave a papertrail, for one thing. There were no abandoned signs in Untermyer Park that read "Process hideout. We're doing Son of Sam shit. NO TRESPASSING." But simple shit like, "well fuck, that handwriting clearly doesn't match!" That I can muster. Whether you want to read it or not is up to you.
Thanks Nate for the response. I'm not trying to say that the possibility of accomplices being involved is not in the equation. I think others were involved but on a smaller scale in both numbers and who they were (locals). Nobody but Maury brought up the accomplice theory, pre-2000. His book was and still is the catalyst. The Queens DA opened the case based on Maury. The bombshell 1993 Inside Edition interview with Berkowitz confirming accomplices is Maury. The People vs. DB files are Maury's and obviously the Zeman Netflix doc is based primarily on Maury. I'm just saying that the community owes a lot to Maury for anyone's interest in the case, here in 2025. For better or worse. Whether one agrees or disagrees with the theories.
Dear Manny: 1) You've been shown EXACTLY the level of respect that you gave. 2) You can't gaslight us. We have screenshots that tell the story and show the timing. #Receipts 3) I've never had a 1:1 conversation with EricG, other than in the comments on my bitchute channel (which is obviously edited on his side). I knew Eric was a snake then, but so much more has come to light since. Your hands are dirty. 4) I think I speak for most, here: shove your 'suggest'ions up your ass. 5) YOU are the one that was readying your channel for tens of thousands of new subs. You couldn't shut up about it. That said, I eagerly await these tens of thousands of people. You seem to forget that pretty much all of us were Manny followers in the beginning. We found out how full of shit you are, and the rest will too. 6) For someone who's planning a business and trying to learn Spanish, you sure do piss a lot of time away on the internet. Sore winner. -- Parker
Hey Nathan, here’s a question for you. Your buddy Rocker Mike evidently wants to “slit Manny’s throat” which I can’t even begin to even comprehend how anyone would write that online (he really is as dumb as Manny has said) and your pal Dana is adamant that he encouraged her nudes to be leaked. And here are you are playing footsie with him. Where’s the Terry head loyalty? Or is this just another one of your double agent moves? Or have you been on one of those impressive three day benders where you’re started early in the morning and just haven’t stopped?
I could give a fuck if you publish it (although I’m glad Manny sees that you hold shit back that you don’t like…….pot, meet kettle) but how about being a man and answering it?
I mean, shit, did that dumb bastard not read the same thread as the rest of us? We got a pretty cool scoop, the doc isn't set up to beat Maury like a mouthy wife.
Sooooorrrrryyyyyy I didn't begin every reply to Manny with, "dear cocksucker". I'll try harder next time.
Right. I got you, between you setting the fryer up for the lunch crowd, and wiping down the grill, you got Manny to spill at that tea. You’re clearly playing 3D chess. I suppose when you assemble happy meal boxes and dole out catnip all day, this is a major accomplishment. I think I heard even FDR gave Hitler a blowjob and he admitted he was evil during pillow talk.
For the record, I am 100 percent aware that the possibility exists that Nate was trying to get me to "admit" things by being nice to me. I actually don't think he was doing that. In his heart, I actually think Nate wants to like me but is afraid to because of social pressure. If that is true, and I'm not saying it is, but if it is, it would be like the 5th person to admit that to me over the years. Some of my biggest haters end up my biggest fans.
Having said that, I did not say anything here that I haven't already said a gazillion times on my shows publicly. Plus, there's nothing to "admit to" because I've always been an open book and I don't play stupid and childish games. The netflix doc isn't a state secret, although I am not going to talk anymore about it than I already have. That's a courtesy I am giving to the producers who asked all of us to keep our mouths shut.
So if you're line of thinking goes "be nice to manny and he'll keep talking," sorry, you're just a dumbass. The fact is I choose sometimes to engage, but most of the time I just observe. Nate's written some nasty stuff about me over the years, but he was there since day one and although he doesn't admit it, he's one of my biggest fans. It's called the Howard Stern effect. My biggest haters actually need me more than my fans. It's a weird phenomenon, but once you've experienced it it's easy to recognize. So I don't have any problems with Nate and I encourage him to keep going. His arguments above for why he thinks Berkie acted alone have been debunked 20 ways to Sunday across numerous videos, but I give him credit for being a true believer that doesn't let anything really get in his way of what he perceives to be his "truth." I personally have decided to call a truce with him, and if he's the one to break it, or if he was truly playing some game with me, then he just proved himself to be the lesser of the two of us. I have faith in him though.
Nate, just be prepared for some to accuse you of being in the Process now though! I hope your parents also have thick skin, because they're about to get accused of being in a PR empire helping out my dad in the long con. Sad thing is, I wish I was kidding..........
Regarding Off His Rocker Mike's threat to me and Parker's dumb post above, no comment. I don't even bother with such inanities anymore. At least Nate keeps it in the realm of the known universe. Those other two I mentioned are in the territory of Chris Clough/Jon Mythsell levels of lunacy and as such should be shunned and given the widest berth possible by all people of good will.
Quote - "That's a courtesy I am giving to the producers who asked all of us to keep our mouths shut." - Oh Josh and his silly little NDAs! We know how that all worked out the last time! Was there an NDA in place not to discuss the "landscaping" details at Casa De Zeman?
The reason I still believe in Maury Terry is Maury Terry. Not “Terry Heads”. “Terry Heads” worry more about purity tests than the case itself.
Accusing me of “playing both sides against the middle”…what fucking advantage would I get out of that? More clicks? I don’t get paid for clicks. More clout? You see me chasing a Netflix doc? I bitch all the time about how I don’t even want to do THIS BLOG, you fucking retard.
I just got through riding Manny’s ass for nearly three days straight on Twitter - which you’re aware of because you tried to chime in and nobody gave a fuck about what you had to say. So Manny called a truce, I held him to it, and we started talking like adults. Is that the problem? Two grown men talking like adults for a change instead of throwing shit at each other like monkeys?
If I have to tip-toe around my people, then they’re not “my people”. So you can get the fuck out of my kitchen.
1) tell you I hope you fall out of an airplane on the way to PR
2) go with my gut, which said, "this might get weird, let's see what happens!"
I went with my gut.
Did I think I was going to trick you into admitting anything juicy? Haha, if I had that ability I would have done that years ago. Did I consider the possibility that you might say something interesting? Absolutely. And you did, but I didn't trick you. When I asked about the documentary, that was a Hail Mary.
In regards to me being a fan, look, you made yourself a very big part of a case that I have been interested in and following since the early 90's. '91-'92, something like that. You're unavoidable. Do I think we could secretly be friends? Hardly. We both have long hair and like classic Metallica, but that's about as far as the Venn diagram will go.
Now. For any shitwolf who thinks they're going to ruin me and Dana's friendship over this, I have a surprise for you. She was one of the first people I told about the truce. And when I informed her that this doesn't mean me and Manny are suddenly pals, iirc her response was, "I know that, bitch!"
Btw, I've been on pins and needles about this fucking doc and I think you're all too aware of that. When you replied, "0", my eyes lit up. Which is kind of pathetic but there you have it.
If you were pulling my leg...I hope you fall out of an airplane on the way to PR. :) Otherwise, happy trails.
Since I'm not a liar and have no interest in "pulling your leg" all I can tell you is I'm not privy to the final edit.
Could I get blindsided? sure. But blame Hollywood if that happens, not me.
Again, for the record, I participated only under the assurance that the cult story was not a part of this documentary in any way, shape or form. I'm assuming this agreement will be honored as the professionals they were during the entire production.
My suggestion is to forget about it. I have. My only focus now is on getting my drums, basses and car on a ship to Puerto Rico and be there by July to start my new life. Son of Sam is in my rear view. Good luck to those continuing to research it!
I am sure you already are getting hate messages from former friends. It's par for the course in this particular corner of the internet. I had everyone turn on me viciously (on Carl's behalf IMO) after we scanned the Maury files. It's been non-stop ever since. All because the guy thought I was "colluding" with Zeman while we were in fact having a gardening discussion.
When I heard him say that recently it finally all made sense to me why he started the hate campaign against me in 2021. He did what I warn against.....make up a fantasy and then respond to it as if it's real.
It would actually be funny, but now I have people sending your friend Dana messages on twitter about my father "the hispanic gardener shooter in son of sam." A lot of lies have been told, all in service of the Maury's lie. And it's quite frankly disgusting.
I have held myself back a lot over the years to not do shows on all this stuff. But my audience expects more from me than gutter level tit-for-tat. It felt good doing the show exposing Clough the lunatic and Mythsell the retard, but that's all I allowed myself to do before retirement. "Mekikal, Bekikal, Mekial and Bekial" were just too fucking good to ignore.
Privately, it hasn’t been bad at all. I raised one set of eyebrows when I asked you what your favorite Metallica album is, but I totally get why they went, “WTF, Nate!?!?”
I won’t say it again: nothing has changed, I still believe David had accomplices. Well, I might say it again.
Publicly, I’ve only declined one comment and it’s because they kept going after Mike. Yo, dickhead, Anti-MikeAnon, Rocker Mike doesn’t live under a rock, and I’m not his secretary, so go tell him what’s on your mind.
Wait, let me rephrase that. Privately, TO MY FACE, it hasn’t been that bad. I’m sure me and my cats are all in big trouble, we just haven’t seen it yet.
You can do a good job when you try, Ace. Too bad so often you just try to create chaos.
By the way, have you ever told Carl about how you speculated behind his back that he's been lying from Day 1 about the particulars of his shooting?
Or did you just ingratiate yourself to him in the groups and then talk shit about him in DMs?
And by the way, Nate, you know full well that my posts on X weren't intended to get a response from Luis, as he's got me blocked.
Now, feel free to continue your new found love affair with Ms. Grossman, all it's doing is proving what several SoS researchers have said over the years, that you're a Chaos agent who only exists for the drama you stir up.
I'd be more than happy to direct comments to Luis, if I thought he'd reply...okay here goes, Nate...just for you, buddy.
So, Luis, care to comment on the picture Tony the Junkie drew of you, and how it looks amazingly like the drawings he publicly disavowed as not being his in one of the videos you did?
You ducked, ran like a scalded dog, and blocked me to delete my replies on X.
You wanna talk "double-agent"? Lets' talk double-agent, shitball.
I had a blog just like this one years ago. It died on the vine.
I had "Terry Heads" telling me it didn't matter. Just let Manny do his thing, he'll stop when he's finished, they said. Meanwhile Manny's putting out a fucking blizzard of negative videos that went against everything the "Terry Heads," allegedly, stand for.
So I put this one together. And I used a "fake name". I did a "Trudy Zeek".
After my friend Dana blew it up, I felt safe enough to come out and say, "haha, it's me, bitches." Because at that point I didn't have to worry about you assholes bombarding me with shitty comments telling me it didn't matter.
I’m willing to go out on a limb. I got nothing to lose.
Maybe Manny really does feel like, “today’s Tom Sawyer”. Maybe he feels like he was sold a bill of goods and he’s not having it. From anyone. Me, Maury, anyone, we can all fuck off.
And then maybe there’s a bunch of perverts who think they can ride his anger and start trouble on their own.
That’s not Manny’s fault. I’m not blaming Manny. Maybe he’s just doing his shit and a guy line T(ur)D goes, “I can use that”.
Carl Denaro himself speculates about his own shooting, so anyone else doing it is within their rights. Of course, we all know Berkowitz himself wrote very plainly in 1979 about how wild the shooting indeed was. How did he know that? Oh yeah, he wrote that he used one hand and "fired wildly" because he was "very nervous."
There were no shell casings found at the scene, although I am just going by the ballistics of what they found in Rosemary's car. No shell casings mentioned in the police reports, although to be fair, PVDB has only 9 pages of Denaro reports. Similar to how there are only three pages on Placido, but I got all the originals and there are 90 pages. There have to be more Carl files. Why are they being hidden from us?
My new feeling about Carl is that if he wants to believe a "woman shot him" he should voluntarily take his name off the official Son of Sam list so he doesn't continue to insult and victimize the rest of David's victims.
Carl's quite simply a bad guy. Not very smart. Terrible media instincts. Does not know how to pick friends. From Maury Terry to Chris Clough, all these people have done is make Carl look ridiculous. Really sad.
Maury is not clear on who told him about the shell casings. But there were three left at that scene and no other. According to Maury.
You bring up something that pisses me off even more than all Manny Grossman videos combined: missing police reports. Things get moved, they get lost, that’s fine, but the impression I got from Neo’s book is that often Son of Sam files were deliberately “lost”. That’s bullshit. So who knows what else is sitting around in some old fuckers garage right now. Or worse- gone for good.
Manny, you have your version of events when it comes to Carl, Carl has his version, but I also have my own tiny, insignificant version of events.
I fucking LIVED on those FB groups around that time. It drove my wife fucking bananas, but I was hooked.
I remember you and Carl’s falling out. What I didn’t get was an impression that he was turning “his” people against you. A lot of us were already angry by that point. Jess D made a statement asking people to calm down and trust you. I still have the screenshot.
No word of this is a lie: Carl also asked us several times to cool it, stop hammering Manny. Eventually I think he just gave up because we were in no mood to do any such thing.
I think Carl is way smarter than you give him credit for. And he’s one of the nicest people in this entire hellhole. Some of us got suspicious when he kept giving you chances and mending fences with you. In retrospect, just my opinion, I think Carl would have preferred everyone just keep researching.
@Manny: If SoS is in your rearview, why do you continue to shit-post all over youtube every day? You obsessively go back, over and over again, to litter the comment section on videos that are well over a year old. Do you think nobody knows this??
Just so everyone's clear. I only came on this blog to put up one comment on this blog posting about my retirement.
I'm happy to engage with Nate as we called a truce and he is being polite and respectful towards me.
I have no intention, nor do I have any interest in "debates" or discussing anything related to the case or my work within it.
If you think Maury was right, fine with me. Enjoy that area of research and I hope that one day you find whatever it is you're looking for. I am retired from the subject and any question you may have is answered a million times over on my 238 publicly available videos.
If you think I am a Process member, satanic cult apologist, member of a PR empire, son of a hispanic gardener or any other stupid and inane shit that's been lobbed my way over the years, that's cool with me too.
I would respectfully suggest to anyone obsessively looking at my posts on Youtube or twitter so that they can use that against me to look up free speech laws in the USA and apply them to me. Also, you may not want to wake up every morning and obsessively search for my comments, which is what you'd have to do in order to see them. Seems like an awful waste of time and a very boring morning routine. Especially since it's so fruitless.
@Manny don't project your psycho bullshit on me. I don't wake up in the morning to look at your posts. You wish I did! That's what YOU do. I look every few weeks or months, and it never fails - there are always 20 new comments under a single video that had nothing to do with you. You're a troll. You poke people and start arguments. You talk to people that know victims the same way you talk to us. You're a fucking menace.
I’m going to watch Oasis videos and drink beer for the next three days straight. You guys can hammer each other endlessly lol. I’ll approve all of it. Bring your A Game. Or don’t.
Lol... that's so incredibly weak, it almost has to come from the Shlomo researching wing of the SoS "community"...
With mental wizardry like that in his corner, Mr. "I rode his ass for 3 days" Nate is sure to be joining little Luisa on that rocketship to SoS fame and fortune.
Sorry, Hector...I like pie...I'll leave the strudel to you ladies...
Agree on Mitchell. So let me ask you this, and again an outsider looking in, I read Neo’s book, and most of what I’ve heard second hand lines up with what I’ve read. The whole beef, you both say, was him wanting to sit down with Carl and Zano (I’ve never spoke with either). You’ve been quick to shoot down people’s work like Mitchell’s and Clough’s with receipts. He’s addressing you in a good portion of the book and respectfully, when someone is lying about you, you tend to be thorough. Why no book review for him? He’s making a lot of claims, if they’re all lies, why ignore all of them?
You don’t think this is the first Manny contradiction do you? This is why so many videos have been deleted. Mitchell or Max sent, years ago sent me screenshots, the breakup had nothing to do with those guys shit talking Manny, they all hated Goodman relentlessly dogging on Maury and Manny got mad that they were ragging on Jason and he bowed out of their crew. I have the discord or slack screenshots. He was talking to Carl long after they got the files. I can’t even believe Nathan is entertaining this clown’s bullshit. HE CANNOT NOT LIE. He’s an expert on taking a sliver of the truth and then twisting it and praying no one remembers and even if they do……more lies. But keep harassing Paul Hart, cause your last ally realized you’re a fraud.
God, this Jonathan Mitchell guy just keeps going with his drivel. Manny, not a fan of yours but good on you for doing a video on his nonsense. The shit he did threatening Billy was like watching someone have a breakdown. That dude really is a fail and I heard he never was even meant to see the files and the group only pushed for him because people felt bad. It also seems like he was the first one to break the NDA, but who knows. I only know what I hear.
Mythsell is a pathetic specimen and that part where he threatened Billy goes down in history as one of the best things I've ever witnessed on video. The anger, the timing, the implied threat, the weakness....
I didn't want him to see the files and I personally did not advocate for it. But I don't remember it being a huge issue either way. Carl was the leader of our little pack back in those days and he called that shot. Regarding the NDA, those files were leaking from day 1. Everyone knows what I did. I gave them to NEO who immediately ratted me out to Zeman (and then also gave them to PVDB). And I gave them to Galati who went ex-girlfriend on me and leaked them to Dana.
Mythsell is a joke and I'm happy you at least liked that video of mine. Thanks for the comment!
Here we go: we've got Manny in a contradiction. I've heard him say he gave the files to Neo, and that Neo immediately ratted him out to Zemon, but I have also clearly heard Manny say that he gave Maury's files to Eric and that Eric gave them to PvDB (aside from "leaking" them). Of note, Manny conveniently skips naming all the other people he gave Maury's files to. And while we're on the topic, whether Neo paid money for the Serlak-Cerasi doc or not, Manny can be seen onscreen discussing it with Jim Fay (who he'd just given it to) and Mike Codella (who he told onscreen to expect it, as he was getting ready to email it). Why isn't Neo ever pissed that Eric, Dana, and others ended up with the report because Manny was passing it out like candy? Nope, Neo goes directly to Dana and calls her a fucking bitch.
@Manny I think Neo also went ex girlfriend on you. The man seems to exist only for you. His claims of “he stole my work” are laughable. Per his own book, he sought you out to assist you. You worked together, always gave him his credit in the video series. Even after your split, I’ve heard you give him his plaudits. Yet for years all we’ve heard was “he stole my work, liar, manipulator, wait for my book, etc.” While I liked his book for the most part, it sure landed like a thud. And kudos to you and Nathan for burying the hatchet, these posts have been informative and entertaining. I don’t agree with Nathan on this case, but I am glad he engaged with Manny in a positive way. Wish this is how it could have always been. Good luck in Puerto Rico.
NEO's book is so full of shit that I didn't even know where to begin. So I just ignored it completely. The guy is delusional. He actually thinks he was the star of the show and that he did everything. My attitude at this point is let the little guy think what he wants. The truth is, he was fired by the City of Yonkers and sent to psychiatrists and lost his pension all because of this SOS crap. He literally went nuts and it's all he talked about. People got so disturbed he actually lost his city job. Do you know how crazy you have to be to be fired by Yonkers?
Anyhow, from the small portions I read of his doorstopper, it's all lies. He actually claims I was afraid to go into the Neto attic, which is nuts. It was MY IDEA! He also claims I was rude to the Neto's and they didn't like me. Weird because I'm on a first name basis with them and often will just ring their bell and hang out with them to this very day. I got them in the new documentary for crying out loud!
Nate was always harmless and I was always entertained by him, so I was happy to make a post here, even though it's pretty vicious against me. It's ok though. I don't get offended. I won't be the one to break the truce, although his girl Dana is really saying some nasty and untrue stuff lately regarding me and Nik Schreck.
Thanks for the nice comment. NEO basically is the world's biggest ballbagger besides Rocker Mike and to a lesser degree Dana. They recognize I'm the king and they just want a little attention to come their way by using my work. I get it. I might do the same thing if I was in their position. It's what people who can't do original work always fall back on. Wendy Savino really broke all their minds. Like severely.
Thanks! It was fun and at times funny. At least for me.
@Manny
I have no reason to break the truce. No new memes, no new rebuttal-posting.
If I want to talk about SOS, I’ll talk about SOS. I don’t think there’s an audience for it though. The “fuck Manny” posts get more views than any other lol.
It will all wear off pretty soon. I'm not putting out any new content and people like OHRM can only get so far with the hate. The dude is literally going nuts writing AI generated blogs because he thinks I'm posting under a false name to him. It's just objectively bizarre. But like I said, I'm onto other things and SOS is in the rear view.
I like your mother's pie the best, Hector...it's extra 'tangy with a hint of spice...but nobody would ever mistake it for being cherry...aged tuna, maybe...
The "HECTOR" references were the dead give away. He's been using that over the years (under different aliases. I believe it's a reference to someone who used yo work with MG in the gardening business). Just vile and vulgar stuff that turns a decent conversations into BS and nonsense. Just like what happened here.
Yeah, that's his MO. He's a real POS. Here's a comment from someone (user name GAZ. Not me) on Criminal Justice Chris's Medium site - "He posts as Tom Dexter on that SOS blog that Nathan runs. He has various Twitter accounts, Dr Satanicus Ocularium was another, and posted all over the old Kidkenoma blog on Mr Real Estate. He’s an awful, miserable piece of human waste."
Let’s call a spade a spade (now we’re speaking TD’s language) he was also justice seeker. But what he really is a toothless hick who couldn’t find Brooklyn on a map. He smokes Winston’s, his mother is also definitely a cousin and he should be lucky some of us don’t care enough about his horrible racism to get his EBay account suspended. Not as slick as you think you are Ace. And publish that book, so we can make sure all of your racist bullshit comes to life. You were never a Terry Head. We tolerated you
Parker, here. Manny has already explained this ad nauseam in his video series. You'll find frequent mentions of it throughout the Savino era. @Anon, it's exactly as you said: Manny's NYPD detective friends violated the Code of Conduct. They knowingly shared - not just - details from David's mail, but specific identifying information on the people who sent it.
It should go without saying that when you send electronic mail to David, it's understood that every word is being read and is subject to approval before it is even passed on - I have zero problem with that. But when a law enforcement official takes personal information and passes it to a youtuber who then makes a video that is seen by 1,091 people.... well, you've got a situation on your hands.
@anon. Yeah, that was a dumb mistake. There's a politician named Diane Savino and I mistakenly put her name in and forgot to edit it out before going live. I hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive me for this major oversight.
Luckily it didn't affect anything about the story. NYPD still cleared her case naming Berkowitz as her shooter, where it will permanently be enshrined in Son of Sam history. I have a sneaky suspicion that that is what really makes you angry.
But hey, major coup....you exposed that I'm human and occasionally err like all humans do.
Looks like meth head NEO and terminally illiterate Rena's channel was nuked. While that definitely makes me happy, due to the fact that they had at least 5-7 totally bullshit shows about Wendy, I did not have anything to do with their channel being removed. Just want that out there before people inevitably say I did.
What I think happened was they finally got busted for using a lot of copywritten material from Jack Jones and Bill Badgely. All the Killer Tape stuff was copywritten and could not be used without permission. I am friends with Badgely and Jones and they made sure to give me the professional courtesy of a heads up when they made their deal. So that's why you never saw their work on my channel. NEO and Rena would do entire hour long shows using the Killer Tapes. Probably they finally got three copyright strikes, which is an immediate termination.
It's better for them even though they probably are angry. It must be frustrating to constantly ballbag me for internet clout, only to reach a maximum of 200 subscribers and virtually zero view counts. The little guy's book turned out to be his undoing. I saw it coming a mile away and was having a great time the whole way.
Good question. The answer is I have no clue. I'm just speculating on the copyright thing.
There's no way that they took it down voluntarily, so they must have violated some rule. Youtube generally doesn't care about slander and defamation, which they committed against me many times, so it couldn't be that. Who knows? I'm just glad to see their shit gone. They just became too obsessed with me and forgot all about the case. Their Savino hatred was off the charts. Just really nasty people making fun of her and her family.
Manny stop it. Who cares about their worthless channel. But you really expect people to believe that after their AI image of you and the Wendy takedown video (interesting point btw about DB never shooting into the driver side) and you reporting bright and early that their channel is down, you have nothing to do with it? You throw a hissy fit if someone orders food from Wendy’s without acknowledging there was a victim named Wendy. And how great is it that even the Post published an article about Berkowitz and didn’t count her as a victim. There are like 5 people in the world that believe that bullshit. Paul Hart is about to make it less. You can keep acting like you’re just some passive observer, moving on and calling it a day. Reality is you let SOS ruin your life, not much differently than man you claim you despise, but more and more it’s pretty clear you sympathize and identify with him. And hey at least he got a couple of checks out of it. You’ve got fuck all to show.
Yeah that’s your little game when you can’t lie your way out a response. You’re a fucking joke and the shit your cop friends pulled. Giving you Jessica’s information so you could taunt her on air makes them jokes too. That investigation was also a joke and you lied to them about the Cassara dates. Btw, do you think Neil deGrasse goes around telling people he’s a science expert, does your buddy Shreck call himself a Manson expert? You know what you’re in an expert in? Being a scumbag compulsive liar. Run off to PR where hopefully there’s a massive crop failure.
Nate Dawg!!! This one takes the prize!
ReplyDeleteFucking hilarious!😂
ReplyDeleteThe Lo-Fi Song of L. Manny Grossman
ReplyDelete(with unverified citations, unnecessary jazz, and distant police sirens)
Let us go then, you and I,
When the algorithm is spread out against the sky
Like a podcast script ethered by a desperate guy
Trying to sound like Baudelaire with a mic and a Wi-Fi.
Let us go, through certain half-remembered threads,
The muttering dead forums of chatroom dregs
Where conspiracy lurks like a worn-out couch,
And the smell of stale facts turns your stomach to a slouch.
(In the distance: whoop-whoop—sirens wail, fade, return)
Oh, do not ask, “What is it?”
Let us scroll on, and misattribute it.
In the room the trolls come and go
Talking of Berkowitz and “MK-Ultra,” yo.
The timelines twist like cheap cigars in summer,
Flimsy logic laid out like bloated Yelp reviews
Of murders Googled once, then stretched to fit a view
That Flat Earth was too round to pursue.
For I have known them all already, known them all—
The Zodiac, the Smiley Face, the call
Of clout—it beckons, clickbait in a shawl.
I have measured out my life in ad breaks and drawl.
I know the voices fading with the fall
Beneath the weight of my own bloated sprawl.
(Sirens closer now—doppler shift of doubt)
And I have known the Tiktok sleuths, the Reddit hive,
Have watched them “solve” cold cases in a live.
Is it irony they wear? Or just a vibe?
Their logic tangled in a floss of lies.
But should I,
After casting all this shade and sigh,
Have the gall to say: “This, THIS is true crime, guy!”?
And I have worn the Fool’s cap, yes—
The philosopher-poet-YouTuber’s dress—
A clown with quotes, half-read and under stress.
In the Court of True Crime, all jesters strut and guess.
Shall I claim the Son of Sam winked at me?
And said “Grossman, you’ve got the key!”
Though I found it under a pile of old DVDs?
No! I am not Joe Rogan, nor was meant to be;
Am an echo, mostly noise, no pedigree.
One that will do a podcast to explain,
Spin a yarn, inflate the brain,
Embellish facts, and entertain,
Get coffee sponsorships, and mansplain—
At times, indeed, I think that Manny is a prophet—
And at times, I think he profits.
(Another siren splits the air, then silence—doubt briefly arrests the feed)
Should I distort the record? Dare I skew?
Do I dare invent an interview?
I shall wear white earbuds, and stroll the stream,
And talk to fans about my dreams of Cream.
(They all believe me—they like the meme.)
We have lingered in the echo chamber’s gloom
Lit not by ring-light, but by ego’s doom,
Where Prince Machiavelli nods from his tomb—
And claps politely from his smoke-filled room.
Till Truth, misunderstood, walks out of Zoom
And drowns with clowns beneath the algorithm’s plume.
(Final siren fades—no arrest made, just another night online.)
Now he is canonized. Screw you Manny.
Sorry. Forgot to sign my poem.
ReplyDelete-Sue Conway's Tiara
That was beautiful, Sue Conway’s Tiara.
DeleteLAST WILL AND TESTAMENT
ReplyDeleteof MANNY, the Pink Elephant in the Room
Filed in the Court of Unspoken Truths, County of Yonkers, State of Denial
I, MANNY, being of questionable character and unmistakable hue, do hereby declare this to be my Last Will and Testament. I revoke all prior wills, codicils, and cover-ups that pretended I wasn’t smack in the middle of every conversation, crime scene, and budgetary oversight.
I make this declaration freely and of my own volition, though admittedly under the heavy influence of watching one too many self-produced true crime podcasts hosted by my people who think “cause of death: suspicious” is a diagnosis.
ARTICLE I – BEQUESTS
Section 1.1 – To Captain Joe Borelli
I bequeath my right ear, in the hope that it will finally allow you to listen without interrupting, dismissing, or quoting outdated procedure manuals. May it echo eternally with the sound of your own voice repeating “standard protocol” like a spell from Magickal Childe.
Section 1.2 – To Detective Robert Klein
I leave you my tail, since you’ve spent years chasing it anyway. May it forever circle the cold cases you swore were “just one tip away” from resolution. Also included: a complimentary podcast montage of people mispronouncing your name while citing my research findings that David Berkowitz lived out of his 1970 Ford Galaxie for 14 days in April of 1976.
Section 1.3 – To Detective Mike Lorenzo
You are hereby granted my hindquarters, which you may recognize from every meeting where you covered someone else’s. Also included is my worn-out copy of “How to Solve a Case Without Actually Solving Anything: A Detective’s Guide to Looking Busy.”
Section 1.4 – To the City of Yonkers
I leave my entire body—tusk, trunk, and unresolved municipal trauma included. Notably, I withhold my trunk, as it appears to have been responsible for the accidental water damage that compromised approximately 44% of your archived case files.
Please accept my apology for the loss of integrity and ink. At the time, I was under the impression those boxes were marked “Recycle.”
I also leave behind the illusion of transparency, which you’ve guarded more carefully than most of your public records.
ARTICLE II – SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS
My remains are to be stored prominently in the Yonkers Municipal Building lobby, or anywhere inconvenient and impossible to ignore.
Any podcast covering this will must include the disclaimer: “We’re not lawyers, but we did spend 22 minutes Googling probate.”
All recipients shall refrain from saying, “This is shocking,” when nothing shocks them and they’re just buying time for a histrionic pause.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I, MANNY, have hereunto set my hoof this 1st day of May, 2025, while being very much aware that no one read this far, with the exception of Joseph A. Savino Jr., without "skimming".
Signed,
MANNY
The Pink Elephant in the Room
Legal Counsel
Roy Cohn's Bubble Bath
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Delete“… as it appears to have been responsible for the accidental water damage that compromised approximately 44% of your archived case files.”
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Manny posted about three hours ago inquiring how the Ace Brown tape search is going. Maybe we should discuss here?
ReplyDeleteIf you guys want to, that’s fine by me.
DeleteI wouldn’t turn down the opportunity to listen to it. But I’m in no hurry. The cover-up confirms plenty.
Oh, speaking of Manny, that guy broke agreements with Josh, Carl, Caveman, god-only-knows-who-else, but we’re supposed to believe HIM? Manny says there’s no tape? Yeah okay.
DeleteThe tape is going to have to wait a little while longer. Class is currently in session. He's got the crack peanut gallery right now working on the two Suzanne Conway pictures. They're doing a fine job both confirming AND denying the comparisons!
Delete"I don't appreciate your ruse, Manny. Your ruse. Your cunning attempt to trick me." - Randal Graves "Clerks"
LMAO
DeleteIs anyone available to reach out to Detective Clean for comment on this will?
ReplyDeleteWe Don't Love You, Sort of Goodbye, Manny Grossman"
ReplyDelete(To the tune of "I Love You, Goodbye")
🎶 Verse 1:
Manny Grossman, oh, it's time you go,
Your gardening podcast's just a mess of woe.
You barely read the books, but hey, you’ll try,
Misinformation’s your game, but don’t ask why.
You move to Puerto Rico, think you’ll heal your soul,
But the wifi’s slow, and the internet’s a hole.
Then you ask for patience from the crowd,
While your connection’s down, and your Wi-Fi’s loud.
🎶 Chorus:
We don't love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman,
Your impulsive live streams just make us groan.
We don't care about your gardening tips,
When you can't even keep up with your own lips!
Oh, and that podcast? Don't even start,
Just like your "plants," it's falling apart.
We don't love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman,
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, man!
🎶 Verse 2:
Oh, Manny, you think you'd build a brand,
But your research is barely the shape of sand.
You move to Puerto Rico, think you’ll thrive,
But you’re too busy updating your “live” at 5.
Your soil’s all dry, your veggies won’t grow,
Just like that Wi-Fi, it’s all for show.
Maybe you should stick to your gardening,
But don’t pretend your connection’s fine!
🎶 Chorus:
We don't love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman,
Your impulsive live streams just make us groan.
We don’t need to hear you rant or whine,
You’re buffering, babe, and running out of time!
Oh, and that podcast? Don’t even start,
You’ve failed at research and playing the part.
We don't love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman,
Please leave before the signal dies again!
🎶 Bridge:
Your bad Wi-Fi's worse than a bad review,
It’s cutting out mid-thought, then what do we do?
You’re planting seeds, but there’s no harvest in sight,
Just like your podcast, it’s a failed delight!
🎶 Chorus:
We don’t love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman,
Your gardening skills? A sad, sad confession.
We don’t need your live streams at all,
When your connection’s as weak as your podcast’s fall.
So take your mic, your "plants," and your Wi-Fi,
And leave Puerto Rico before we all die!
We don’t love you, sort of goodbye, Manny Grossman,
And don’t even think of coming back again!
-By Celine Dion's Doppelganger
Hey everyone. Retirement is going great. I'm glad to put SOS behind me for the time being. This blog has been the source of much entertainment over the past few year or so. Big ups to Nate for writing. Very little to none of the conclusions are accurate about me or my work, but I give you all an A for effort. If you ever thought you were speaking to me in the comment section here, you weren't. This is my first, and probably my last, comment. Just wanted to pop in and say hi. I'll be in Puerto Rico in a month or so, so all y'all are gonna have to figure out a new boogeyman to hate. Try NEO, he's a lot more fun than I am. You'll get the best responses. Have fun!
ReplyDeleteJust make sure you don't tell NEO that his book is 99.9 percent bullshit and that, amongst other major lies, I was not in any way scared to go into the Neto attic. That particular subject drives him NUTS!!!!!
DeleteFunny, I have all the b roll footage from the Neto interviews and I'm on tape getting very excited about going up to the Neto attic. In fact it was my idea. Just don't tell that to NEO though. Somehow he's convinced himself of many things that never actually happened. If I cared enough I'd do a major show on him. You guys would love that I'm sure ; )
Quitter.
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DeleteVery happily a quitter!
I have no idea if I’ll keep blogging or not. I’m really into cooking these days. Oh, I’m also into my “sTuPiD fUcKiNg CaTs” to quote one asshole who writes in to tell me no one reads the blog lol.
DeleteMaybe I’ll review the Netflix doc, maybe I won’t. Maybe it’s time for the next generation of haters to get in the ring.
🤷🏻♂️
If it ever comes out have at it. I'll be on the farm, most likely not in the loop.
DeleteYa know Manny, now you got me thinking…
DeleteI’ve said some nasty, vicious, borderline evil things both to and about you. And I’ll cop to all of it. You pissed me right the fuck off. And you’re not gone yet so there’s still time to piss me off again.
But Jesus Christ, I never went after your PET lol!! Hell, I tried to be a bro to Maxi warn you that Huskies can be difficult to live with (you don’t own a Husky, you live with a Husky).
And thanks for the “big ups”. If you got the occasional kick out it, who am I to say nay.
DeleteWE threw in the towel with Maxie after the 4th month. Found him a great large private house with a huge backyard and another husky. So it all worked out.
DeleteAs far as pissing you off, my SOS days are now behind me so someone else will have to take up that mantle. I never got offended because I'm just not wired that way. Being Gen X and growing up with John Waters and Howard Stern tend to take that out of a person. I find it all funny. At least you took the time to cross reference and write stuff. And at least you kept in the realm of this universe, unlike the lunatic Chris Clough of "Mekial, Bekial, Mekikal and Bekikal" fame.
It's just you, NEO and Rocker Mike left. Have fun!!!
I’m glad to hear that about Maxi.
DeleteI’ve had two Huskies. I love Huskies, don’t get me wrong, but for me it’s nothing but cats from here on out. And yeah I miss those dogs, but they can get pretty surreal.
Might just end up being Mike and Neo. Look, I’m fascinated by the case. Not MAURY, the case. All facets of the case. But I’m also old, set in my ways, and in the way.
As a person who came to SOS as a Maury fan, if the day ever comes where any of his story gets proven true I will be the first to retract my work. That is, after all, why I started the series.
DeleteSo keep going. You have all his files. The most important ones that is, according to Carl Denaro, who specifically instructed us to scan the typewritten pages. Maury told him they were the most important.
I've found a few people on those lists, so if there is truly a cult story to tell, someone on them will tell you. Or at least steer you in the right direction. That's your only hope at this point because no one besides Maury did the work he did. Everyone else, from Levenda to McGowan just took Maury's work and rewrote it. You'll learn nothing new from them. Worse, Levenda called Henry Cinotti "Harry." He isn't even a good stenographer.
Now Manny. You didn’t get access to everything. And you yourself spent a lot of time scanning the handwritten stuff. You and Carl both.
DeleteThe files Eric shared were divvied up. There was Carl’s folder. There was Max’s folder. There was Jess’s folder. And then there was one called “MT Shit” that had your finger in several of the shots. You even pointed it out once in one of your shows, “that’s MY finger”.
If you swear you didn’t name your folder, “MT Shit”, I’ll just have to take your word for it.
DeleteI didn’t name it that.
You work out who named which folder what. I’m going to go grill some steaks. And then we’ll meet back up tomorrow.
Delete"shit" just referred to "stuff" as in "Maury's Stuff"
DeleteAs far as scanning goes, yo, blame Jess D's boyfriend at the time. That cocksucker was a pain in the ass that day and we only stayed there like 5 hours. I was prepared to stay overnight.
Remember, I was his biggest fan when I scanned and named those folders.
Re Eric. All erics files were from me. I had given them to him several months earlier and he said "don't worry manny....I'll never betray you!" Lol! That didn't work out too well for me. In a way though it worked out because he forced the issue. I was sitting on maury's pile for quite a while and wasn't able to use them. Until it all ended up on PVDB, a site that definitely is suspect.
Why didn’t someone just get him and Jess an Uber if he didn’t want to be there? I mean fuck. Access to Maury’s files is kind of a Big Fucking Deal.
DeleteI felt the same way about the leak that I feel about this Netflix doc: there’s nothing anyone can do about it. I know some people were kind of upset with Eric. I personally got a phone call asking why I was telling Terry Heads to be nice to Eric all of the sudden (I got wind of the leak before a lot of them knew.)
These days I have a better understanding of why maybe those files should have stayed private. The greedy side of me wanted access, yes, but they weren’t meant for me or public consumption in general.
You said yourself, they’re just words on paper, so I don’t see why you went to the trouble of contacting people in those files to let them know Maury suspected them of being up to no good.
"You said yourself, they’re just words on paper, so I don’t see why you went to the trouble of contacting people in those files to let them know Maury suspected them of being up to no good."
DeleteI wanted answers. And when I got those files I truly thought that we had solved the case. So of course I was gonna find as many people as I could. Anyone else could have (and should have) done the exact same thing.
But a week after we got those files Carl started whipping up his people against me (remember, he thought erroneously that me and Zeman were "colluding" when he saw us talking privately the day we scanned.....but we were actually talking about landscaping). That was when the wars started.
Erics a weird guy and my advice to anyone is to steer clear. It's obvious he was playing some game with Dana, Parker and now Chris Clough. Perhaps he thought he could get back in my good graces? Who knows. I think he's scum and I haven't spoken to him since 2023.
Wether you guys were or were not colluding, you have to admit, it does look suspicious seeing as how you ended up with a Netflix doc and Josh is perceived as Mr. Netflix. People are going to connect dots. For better or worse.
DeleteHell, I’ve been accused of being a Process sympathizer. Me!! Lol.
And I don’t know how much you’re aware of it, but it wasn’t just you who had people stirred up and angry. In the wake of Sons of Sam and your video series, files and posts that had sat on the TUE Facebook pages suddenly started to disappear. Goofy ass memes and random bullshit never vanished, just things that supported Maury’s work.
I have a pretty good idea who was behind it because I watched some Kevin Murphy documents I bumped one night get deleted in real time after a certain someone contacted me about them.
Here’s how I look at it: if Maury was such a damn dirty liar, then let the lies speak for themselves. Period. Don’t hide shit and try to rewrite the story.
And then we had a very high profile member of the “community” doing things like low-key endorsing the theory that Scout raped Maury among many other things. He has no proof, he just “suspected as much”. Thanks, dick.
I guess my point is, there was so much fuckery coming from so many different angles that it would be more surprising if people weren’t constantly at each others throats.
"Wether you guys were or were not colluding, you have to admit, it does look suspicious seeing as how you ended up with a Netflix doc and Josh is perceived as Mr. Netflix. People are going to connect dots. For better or worse."
Delete-Again, we were not "colluding." Josh had a lot of gardening questions and because he had just done me a solid by fullfilling a dream of mine (showing me MT's files) I was happy to walk around his property for as long as he liked. We walked for about 15 minutes while everyone else was packing up. Carl totally got it wrong, and then acted on his wrong belief. And see....all anyone needed to do was ask me politely and I give honest answers.
And regarding Netflix....timelines are important. First off, your premise is wrong. Josh and I were talking about gardening, not SOS or documentaries. Plus Josh and I aren't buddies. He has threatened to sue me 3 separate times over the past 4 years. He despises me and I am not the biggest fan of his. My documentary was produced in 2024 by an entirely different set of producers/filmakers (same production company though) that have nothing whatsoever to do with Zeman. He was not part of this latest doc in any way, shape or form. And his name never came up during filming or in preproduction meetings.
I will say the chicanery behind the scenes trying to sabotage it are kinda sad. I would never do that to someone else. Yo, I'll admit it. If NEO or RM got a Netflix doc much like them I'd be fucking pissed and super jealous. It's just human nature. But I'd never in a million years try to sabotage someones success. Unfortunately that respect was not shown to me in any way, shape or form.
My suggestion to people is forget about it like I have. I only think about it because all y'all are constantly reminding me. We filmed it over a year ago. It's in my past and if it does or doesn't come out makes no difference to me. I know what we did, and I'm very proud of it regardless of what happens.
As far as Facebook chicanery and removing files etc.....take it up with someone else. I had nothing to do with any of it and am not even aware of the details of what you're talking about. I don't play stupid games. I do my work publicly under my real name and if I have a problem with someone I have zero problems taking the fight to them directly.
No, I don’t want anyone to get the impression that I’m blaming you for the disappearing Facebook shit.
DeleteWhat I’m saying is that while you may have gave us hell on Twitter or YouTube, a “friend” of ours was also fucking us from behind.
*”friends” plural, actually.
DeleteBut…oh well. Thank god for cooking videos.
DeleteAs someone who been backstabbed many times during this video series, all I can say is welcome to the club.
DeleteScale of 1 to 10, how hard will the doc be on Maury?
Delete0
DeleteMaury's name wasn't mentioned once. It's about the truth about the SOS crimes, not some hack's discredited and debunked life's work. The only reason I participated is because it has nothing whatsoever to do with Maury.
So it’s not going to be 2 hours of beating on Maury like a set of bongos? Ha, wow. Okay
DeleteI'm not privy to the final edit, but from what I know it's 3 hours of just the facts. The real story. Neither the official NYPD story nor Maury's bs. Both of those are equally useless in understanding the SOS story.
DeleteMaury Terry was a fantasy fiction writer. His time is over and no serious person cares about the guy anymore. No one's interested in praising or debunking him. He's a non-entity in 2025. He had a good run, but it's over.
I pictured at least one shot of you in a “Maury Terry wig” trampling on copies of TUE 😆
DeleteI'm NOT a "Terry Head" (or a "Mauron") by no means and do feel Maury did embellish the story in order to make the story bigger than it was and to get a book published, but if it wasn't for Maury Terry, none of us would be here today discussing the Son of Sam case, let alone have any interest in it over the last 38 years (since the original "Ultimate Evil" was put out in 1987)
DeleteAnon, if someone were to say to me, "Nate, I've read TUE, I read Carl's book, I have studied the files, listened to Manny, etc., and I'm convinced David acted alone," I would shrug and say, "fine." That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion.
DeleteMe, I've done all of those same things and I think David had accomplices. And that's fine too.
I suppose I should do a blog post about that. Just to get it off my chest.
I mean...take for example Carl's shooting. I do not believe for one second that David said to himself, "ya know what, I think I'll shoot with one hand tonight. Just for shits and giggles!" Negatory. Berkowitz knew that gun had a kick to it. Also, coming from the army, he was also trained to shoot. You don't typically just shrug your military training and start freestyling.
Maury mentioned shell casings left at that scene. This suggests a backup shooter to me. So whether it was David or a woman holding the .44 that night, we're looking at the possibility of an accomplice.
Or how about the infamous Son of Sam letters. Where else in David's writings do we see that same penmanship? Isolating a single block letter from a checkbook or a grocery list isn't going to cut it for me. Where else does he write line after line in that Borelli or Breslin style? You don't have to be a handwriting expert to see that David's apartment notes do not match the Mr. Monster or Son of Sam letters. So to me, again, we're looking at more than one person involved.
Can I pin the crimes to a nation-wide Satanic cult? No. Not me personally. It's beyond my skill level. They didn't leave a papertrail, for one thing. There were no abandoned signs in Untermyer Park that read "Process hideout. We're doing Son of Sam shit. NO TRESPASSING." But simple shit like, "well fuck, that handwriting clearly doesn't match!" That I can muster. Whether you want to read it or not is up to you.
Thanks Nate for the response. I'm not trying to say that the possibility of accomplices being involved is not in the equation. I think others were involved but on a smaller scale in both numbers and who they were (locals). Nobody but Maury brought up the accomplice theory, pre-2000. His book was and still is the catalyst. The Queens DA opened the case based on Maury. The bombshell 1993 Inside Edition interview with Berkowitz confirming accomplices is Maury. The People vs. DB files are Maury's and obviously the Zeman Netflix doc is based primarily on Maury. I'm just saying that the community owes a lot to Maury for anyone's interest in the case, here in 2025. For better or worse. Whether one agrees or disagrees with the theories.
DeleteDear Manny: 1) You've been shown EXACTLY the level of respect that you gave. 2) You can't gaslight us. We have screenshots that tell the story and show the timing. #Receipts 3) I've never had a 1:1 conversation with EricG, other than in the comments on my bitchute channel (which is obviously edited on his side). I knew Eric was a snake then, but so much more has come to light since. Your hands are dirty. 4) I think I speak for most, here: shove your 'suggest'ions up your ass. 5) YOU are the one that was readying your channel for tens of thousands of new subs. You couldn't shut up about it. That said, I eagerly await these tens of thousands of people. You seem to forget that pretty much all of us were Manny followers in the beginning. We found out how full of shit you are, and the rest will too. 6) For someone who's planning a business and trying to learn Spanish, you sure do piss a lot of time away on the internet. Sore winner. -- Parker
DeleteThank you, Anon. Sorry I went on a monologue, lol.
DeleteHey Nathan, here’s a question for you. Your buddy Rocker Mike evidently wants to “slit Manny’s throat” which I can’t even begin to even comprehend how anyone would write that online (he really is as dumb as Manny has said) and your pal Dana is adamant that he encouraged her nudes to be leaked. And here are you are playing footsie with him. Where’s the Terry head loyalty? Or is this just another one of your double agent moves? Or have you been on one of those impressive three day benders where you’re started early in the morning and just haven’t stopped?
ReplyDeleteThere you go, I published your comment, loser.
DeleteI could give a fuck if you publish it (although I’m glad Manny sees that you hold shit back that you don’t like…….pot, meet kettle) but how about being a man and answering it?
DeleteTwo in a row! Kid, you’re HOT tonight!
Delete@Here'sAQuestionForYou Anon: Just my opinion and observation as a reader... the more Manny talks, the more he says. Let it roll.
Delete@Let it roll
DeleteI mean, shit, did that dumb bastard not read the same thread as the rest of us? We got a pretty cool scoop, the doc isn't set up to beat Maury like a mouthy wife.
Sooooorrrrryyyyyy I didn't begin every reply to Manny with, "dear cocksucker". I'll try harder next time.
I'm not under the illusion that anything Manny says is true, but it gets him on the record. I'm here for it.
DeleteYo! ICouldGiveAFuckAnon! You like apples? I hope Mike finds out who you are and slits YOUR throat. How ya like them apples?
DeleteRight. I got you, between you setting the fryer up for the lunch crowd, and wiping down the grill, you got Manny to spill at that tea. You’re clearly playing 3D chess. I suppose when you assemble happy meal boxes and dole out catnip all day, this is a major accomplishment. I think I heard even FDR gave Hitler a blowjob and he admitted he was evil during pillow talk.
ReplyDeleteAgain with the cats. God damn lol!!!
DeleteYou see what happens when you try to play both sides against the middle, Ace?
DeleteYou rile up all the nutjobs under the Psycho Circus Big Top.
Live and learn.
TD
For the record, I am 100 percent aware that the possibility exists that Nate was trying to get me to "admit" things by being nice to me. I actually don't think he was doing that. In his heart, I actually think Nate wants to like me but is afraid to because of social pressure. If that is true, and I'm not saying it is, but if it is, it would be like the 5th person to admit that to me over the years. Some of my biggest haters end up my biggest fans.
DeleteHaving said that, I did not say anything here that I haven't already said a gazillion times on my shows publicly. Plus, there's nothing to "admit to" because I've always been an open book and I don't play stupid and childish games. The netflix doc isn't a state secret, although I am not going to talk anymore about it than I already have. That's a courtesy I am giving to the producers who asked all of us to keep our mouths shut.
So if you're line of thinking goes "be nice to manny and he'll keep talking," sorry, you're just a dumbass. The fact is I choose sometimes to engage, but most of the time I just observe. Nate's written some nasty stuff about me over the years, but he was there since day one and although he doesn't admit it, he's one of my biggest fans. It's called the Howard Stern effect. My biggest haters actually need me more than my fans. It's a weird phenomenon, but once you've experienced it it's easy to recognize. So I don't have any problems with Nate and I encourage him to keep going. His arguments above for why he thinks Berkie acted alone have been debunked 20 ways to Sunday across numerous videos, but I give him credit for being a true believer that doesn't let anything really get in his way of what he perceives to be his "truth." I personally have decided to call a truce with him, and if he's the one to break it, or if he was truly playing some game with me, then he just proved himself to be the lesser of the two of us. I have faith in him though.
Nate, just be prepared for some to accuse you of being in the Process now though! I hope your parents also have thick skin, because they're about to get accused of being in a PR empire helping out my dad in the long con. Sad thing is, I wish I was kidding..........
Regarding Off His Rocker Mike's threat to me and Parker's dumb post above, no comment. I don't even bother with such inanities anymore. At least Nate keeps it in the realm of the known universe. Those other two I mentioned are in the territory of Chris Clough/Jon Mythsell levels of lunacy and as such should be shunned and given the widest berth possible by all people of good will.
Quote - "That's a courtesy I am giving to the producers who asked all of us to keep our mouths shut." - Oh Josh and his silly little NDAs! We know how that all worked out the last time! Was there an NDA in place not to discuss the "landscaping" details at Casa De Zeman?
Delete@TD
DeleteThanks, Yoda.
The reason I still believe in Maury Terry is Maury Terry. Not “Terry Heads”. “Terry Heads” worry more about purity tests than the case itself.
Accusing me of “playing both sides against the middle”…what fucking advantage would I get out of that? More clicks? I don’t get paid for clicks. More clout? You see me chasing a Netflix doc? I bitch all the time about how I don’t even want to do THIS BLOG, you fucking retard.
I just got through riding Manny’s ass for nearly three days straight on Twitter - which you’re aware of because you tried to chime in and nobody gave a fuck about what you had to say. So Manny called a truce, I held him to it, and we started talking like adults. Is that the problem? Two grown men talking like adults for a change instead of throwing shit at each other like monkeys?
If I have to tip-toe around my people, then they’re not “my people”. So you can get the fuck out of my kitchen.
@Manny
DeleteWhen you called the truce, I had two options:
1) tell you I hope you fall out of an airplane on the way to PR
2) go with my gut, which said, "this might get weird, let's see what happens!"
I went with my gut.
Did I think I was going to trick you into admitting anything juicy? Haha, if I had that ability I would have done that years ago. Did I consider the possibility that you might say something interesting? Absolutely. And you did, but I didn't trick you. When I asked about the documentary, that was a Hail Mary.
In regards to me being a fan, look, you made yourself a very big part of a case that I have been interested in and following since the early 90's. '91-'92, something like that. You're unavoidable. Do I think we could secretly be friends? Hardly. We both have long hair and like classic Metallica, but that's about as far as the Venn diagram will go.
Now. For any shitwolf who thinks they're going to ruin me and Dana's friendship over this, I have a surprise for you. She was one of the first people I told about the truce. And when I informed her that this doesn't mean me and Manny are suddenly pals, iirc her response was, "I know that, bitch!"
@Manny
DeleteBtw, I've been on pins and needles about this fucking doc and I think you're all too aware of that. When you replied, "0", my eyes lit up. Which is kind of pathetic but there you have it.
If you were pulling my leg...I hope you fall out of an airplane on the way to PR. :) Otherwise, happy trails.
Since I'm not a liar and have no interest in "pulling your leg" all I can tell you is I'm not privy to the final edit.
DeleteCould I get blindsided? sure. But blame Hollywood if that happens, not me.
Again, for the record, I participated only under the assurance that the cult story was not a part of this documentary in any way, shape or form. I'm assuming this agreement will be honored as the professionals they were during the entire production.
My suggestion is to forget about it. I have. My only focus now is on getting my drums, basses and car on a ship to Puerto Rico and be there by July to start my new life. Son of Sam is in my rear view. Good luck to those continuing to research it!
Well, if the "Terry Heads" put a contract hit on my head after this, I might see you in Puerto Rico!
DeleteI am sure you already are getting hate messages from former friends. It's par for the course in this particular corner of the internet. I had everyone turn on me viciously (on Carl's behalf IMO) after we scanned the Maury files. It's been non-stop ever since. All because the guy thought I was "colluding" with Zeman while we were in fact having a gardening discussion.
DeleteWhen I heard him say that recently it finally all made sense to me why he started the hate campaign against me in 2021. He did what I warn against.....make up a fantasy and then respond to it as if it's real.
It would actually be funny, but now I have people sending your friend Dana messages on twitter about my father "the hispanic gardener shooter in son of sam." A lot of lies have been told, all in service of the Maury's lie. And it's quite frankly disgusting.
I have held myself back a lot over the years to not do shows on all this stuff. But my audience expects more from me than gutter level tit-for-tat. It felt good doing the show exposing Clough the lunatic and Mythsell the retard, but that's all I allowed myself to do before retirement. "Mekikal, Bekikal, Mekial and Bekial" were just too fucking good to ignore.
Privately, it hasn’t been bad at all. I raised one set of eyebrows when I asked you what your favorite Metallica album is, but I totally get why they went, “WTF, Nate!?!?”
DeleteI won’t say it again: nothing has changed, I still believe David had accomplices. Well, I might say it again.
Publicly, I’ve only declined one comment and it’s because they kept going after Mike. Yo, dickhead, Anti-MikeAnon, Rocker Mike doesn’t live under a rock, and I’m not his secretary, so go tell him what’s on your mind.
Wait, let me rephrase that. Privately, TO MY FACE, it hasn’t been that bad. I’m sure me and my cats are all in big trouble, we just haven’t seen it yet.
DeleteLol, Nathan...never change, and have another drink or three.
DeleteYou were "riding Manny's ass for three days straight", were you?
Looked more like you were fluffing him for three days straight...
Take it deeper, Ace, we know you can do it. You've had lots of practice.
TD
STFU. I’m on the other line proposing marriage to Wheat.
DeleteGotta love how T(ur)D takes more shots at me than he does Manny.
DeleteNow THAT was funny.
DeleteYou can do a good job when you try, Ace. Too bad so often you just try to create chaos.
By the way, have you ever told Carl about how you speculated behind his back that he's been lying from Day 1 about the particulars of his shooting?
Or did you just ingratiate yourself to him in the groups and then talk shit about him in DMs?
And by the way, Nate, you know full well that my posts on X weren't intended to get a response from Luis, as he's got me blocked.
Now, feel free to continue your new found love affair with Ms. Grossman, all it's doing is proving what several SoS researchers have said over the years, that you're a Chaos agent who only exists for the drama you stir up.
"I dOnT EvEn wAnT tO dO ThIs BlOg!"
As if someone's forcing you to...whatta maroon.
TD
P.S. Joe from Long Island says hi...
There it is. The “DM mafia”.
DeleteWe all speculate. Don’t kid yourself. Carl has speculated about me too.
That’s your whole gig. Stirring shit “behind the scenes”.
Funny how TD goes after me when Manny is sat right over there taking on all-comers. Funny.
I'd be more than happy to direct comments to Luis, if I thought he'd reply...okay here goes, Nate...just for you, buddy.
DeleteSo, Luis, care to comment on the picture Tony the Junkie drew of you, and how it looks amazingly like the drawings he publicly disavowed as not being his in one of the videos you did?
You ducked, ran like a scalded dog, and blocked me to delete my replies on X.
Got something to hide, Luis?
TD
You wanna talk "double-agent"? Lets' talk double-agent, shitball.
DeleteI had a blog just like this one years ago. It died on the vine.
I had "Terry Heads" telling me it didn't matter. Just let Manny do his thing, he'll stop when he's finished, they said. Meanwhile Manny's putting out a fucking blizzard of negative videos that went against everything the "Terry Heads," allegedly, stand for.
So I put this one together. And I used a "fake name". I did a "Trudy Zeek".
After my friend Dana blew it up, I felt safe enough to come out and say, "haha, it's me, bitches." Because at that point I didn't have to worry about you assholes bombarding me with shitty comments telling me it didn't matter.
So fuck you.
No, fuck you, “buddy”.
Delete@Manny
Fuck this motherfucker. You don’t have to say shit.
Makes you wonder…..NAHH I’m not gonna say it.
DeleteThe more you imply I'm in league with Luis, the more you expose yourself.
DeleteMaybe you'd realize that if you were sober more often...
TD
At this point I’m not implying any such thing.
DeleteI’m willing to go out on a limb. I got nothing to lose.
DeleteMaybe Manny really does feel like, “today’s Tom Sawyer”. Maybe he feels like he was sold a bill of goods and he’s not having it. From anyone. Me, Maury, anyone, we can all fuck off.
And then maybe there’s a bunch of perverts who think they can ride his anger and start trouble on their own.
That’s not Manny’s fault. I’m not blaming Manny. Maybe he’s just doing his shit and a guy line T(ur)D goes, “I can use that”.
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe go fuck yourself.
Deeper! Deeper! Take that mongoloid's junk all the way down your throat, Nate.
DeleteBut warm up with another shot first...
TD
Carl Denaro himself speculates about his own shooting, so anyone else doing it is within their rights. Of course, we all know Berkowitz himself wrote very plainly in 1979 about how wild the shooting indeed was. How did he know that? Oh yeah, he wrote that he used one hand and "fired wildly" because he was "very nervous."
DeleteThere were no shell casings found at the scene, although I am just going by the ballistics of what they found in Rosemary's car. No shell casings mentioned in the police reports, although to be fair, PVDB has only 9 pages of Denaro reports. Similar to how there are only three pages on Placido, but I got all the originals and there are 90 pages. There have to be more Carl files. Why are they being hidden from us?
My new feeling about Carl is that if he wants to believe a "woman shot him" he should voluntarily take his name off the official Son of Sam list so he doesn't continue to insult and victimize the rest of David's victims.
Carl's quite simply a bad guy. Not very smart. Terrible media instincts. Does not know how to pick friends. From Maury Terry to Chris Clough, all these people have done is make Carl look ridiculous. Really sad.
Maury is not clear on who told him about the shell casings. But there were three left at that scene and no other. According to Maury.
DeleteYou bring up something that pisses me off even more than all Manny Grossman videos combined: missing police reports. Things get moved, they get lost, that’s fine, but the impression I got from Neo’s book is that often Son of Sam files were deliberately “lost”. That’s bullshit. So who knows what else is sitting around in some old fuckers garage right now. Or worse- gone for good.
Manny, you have your version of events when it comes to Carl, Carl has his version, but I also have my own tiny, insignificant version of events.
I fucking LIVED on those FB groups around that time. It drove my wife fucking bananas, but I was hooked.
I remember you and Carl’s falling out. What I didn’t get was an impression that he was turning “his” people against you. A lot of us were already angry by that point. Jess D made a statement asking people to calm down and trust you. I still have the screenshot.
No word of this is a lie: Carl also asked us several times to cool it, stop hammering Manny. Eventually I think he just gave up because we were in no mood to do any such thing.
I think Carl is way smarter than you give him credit for. And he’s one of the nicest people in this entire hellhole. Some of us got suspicious when he kept giving you chances and mending fences with you. In retrospect, just my opinion, I think Carl would have preferred everyone just keep researching.
@Manny: If SoS is in your rearview, why do you continue to shit-post all over youtube every day? You obsessively go back, over and over again, to litter the comment section on videos that are well over a year old. Do you think nobody knows this??
ReplyDeleteJust so everyone's clear. I only came on this blog to put up one comment on this blog posting about my retirement.
ReplyDeleteI'm happy to engage with Nate as we called a truce and he is being polite and respectful towards me.
I have no intention, nor do I have any interest in "debates" or discussing anything related to the case or my work within it.
If you think Maury was right, fine with me. Enjoy that area of research and I hope that one day you find whatever it is you're looking for. I am retired from the subject and any question you may have is answered a million times over on my 238 publicly available videos.
If you think I am a Process member, satanic cult apologist, member of a PR empire, son of a hispanic gardener or any other stupid and inane shit that's been lobbed my way over the years, that's cool with me too.
I would respectfully suggest to anyone obsessively looking at my posts on Youtube or twitter so that they can use that against me to look up free speech laws in the USA and apply them to me. Also, you may not want to wake up every morning and obsessively search for my comments, which is what you'd have to do in order to see them. Seems like an awful waste of time and a very boring morning routine. Especially since it's so fruitless.
It’s all good.
DeleteWe’re learning a lot.
Me and Manny are not coordinating behind the scenes. So just chill. Til the next episode.
Delete“Manny and Nate together, now you know you in trouble”
Not like that.
@Manny don't project your psycho bullshit on me. I don't wake up in the morning to look at your posts. You wish I did! That's what YOU do. I look every few weeks or months, and it never fails - there are always 20 new comments under a single video that had nothing to do with you. You're a troll. You poke people and start arguments. You talk to people that know victims the same way you talk to us. You're a fucking menace.
DeleteBring the tens of thousands! BRING IT!! --Parker, by the way
Delete“After my friend Dana blew it up…….” You mean got your readership from 4 to 5?
ReplyDeleteI made a sarcastic remark at first. “3 to 4”.
DeleteMore like “3 to 400”.
And funny enough, none of her fans try to hi-jack what I’m doing. So, repeat after me, “fuuuuuck yooouuu, moooooootherfuuuuuuuckerrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!”
Manny does it better than I do.
DeleteIt needs more u's and r's to really do it justice.
DeleteManny and Nate together, now you know you in trouble.
DeleteI’m going to watch Oasis videos and drink beer for the next three days straight. You guys can hammer each other endlessly lol. I’ll approve all of it. Bring your A Game. Or don’t.
ReplyDeleteGo feed a stray cat. That’s my advice.
Nobody complimented me on the new Blog name.
ReplyDeleteTo really bury the hatchet, I think Manny should have Nathan on the show. That would be a great way to end the series.
ReplyDeleteI’d do it.
DeleteThat’s not to say I’d like to ride Manny’s Netflix coat-tails. I have nothing to promote.
DeleteBut I bet that would be hilarious.
Hey, TD.
ReplyDeleteAre you latent, bro? A lot of homosexual projections onto Nate. Too much throat and ass action going on in your posts. Keep it up. .
We'll need to electrode your 4-Inch pecker to make sure you aren't getting a woody everything you make your stupid ass posts.
Lol... that's so incredibly weak, it almost has to come from the Shlomo researching wing of the SoS "community"...
DeleteWith mental wizardry like that in his corner, Mr. "I rode his ass for 3 days" Nate is sure to be joining little Luisa on that rocketship to SoS fame and fortune.
Sorry, Hector...I like pie...I'll leave the strudel to you ladies...
TD
DeleteAgree on Mitchell. So let me ask you this, and again an outsider looking in, I read Neo’s book, and most of what I’ve heard second hand lines up with what I’ve read. The whole beef, you both say, was him wanting to sit down with Carl and Zano (I’ve never spoke with either). You’ve been quick to shoot down people’s work like Mitchell’s and Clough’s with receipts. He’s addressing you in a good portion of the book and respectfully, when someone is lying about you, you tend to be thorough. Why no book review for him? He’s making a lot of claims, if they’re all lies, why ignore all of them?
You don’t think this is the first Manny contradiction do you? This is why so many videos have been deleted. Mitchell or Max sent, years ago sent me screenshots, the breakup had nothing to do with those guys shit talking Manny, they all hated Goodman relentlessly dogging on Maury and Manny got mad that they were ragging on Jason and he bowed out of their crew. I have the discord or slack screenshots. He was talking to Carl long after they got the files. I can’t even believe Nathan is entertaining this clown’s bullshit. HE CANNOT NOT LIE. He’s an expert on taking a sliver of the truth and then twisting it and praying no one remembers and even if they do……more lies. But keep harassing Paul Hart, cause your last ally realized you’re a fraud.
DeleteGod, this Jonathan Mitchell guy just keeps going with his drivel. Manny, not a fan of yours but good on you for doing a video on his nonsense. The shit he did threatening Billy was like watching someone have a breakdown. That dude really is a fail and I heard he never was even meant to see the files and the group only pushed for him because people felt bad. It also seems like he was the first one to break the NDA, but who knows. I only know what I hear.
ReplyDeleteMythsell is a pathetic specimen and that part where he threatened Billy goes down in history as one of the best things I've ever witnessed on video. The anger, the timing, the implied threat, the weakness....
DeleteI didn't want him to see the files and I personally did not advocate for it. But I don't remember it being a huge issue either way. Carl was the leader of our little pack back in those days and he called that shot. Regarding the NDA, those files were leaking from day 1. Everyone knows what I did. I gave them to NEO who immediately ratted me out to Zeman (and then also gave them to PVDB). And I gave them to Galati who went ex-girlfriend on me and leaked them to Dana.
Mythsell is a joke and I'm happy you at least liked that video of mine. Thanks for the comment!
Here we go: we've got Manny in a contradiction. I've heard him say he gave the files to Neo, and that Neo immediately ratted him out to Zemon, but I have also clearly heard Manny say that he gave Maury's files to Eric and that Eric gave them to PvDB (aside from "leaking" them). Of note, Manny conveniently skips naming all the other people he gave Maury's files to. And while we're on the topic, whether Neo paid money for the Serlak-Cerasi doc or not, Manny can be seen onscreen discussing it with Jim Fay (who he'd just given it to) and Mike Codella (who he told onscreen to expect it, as he was getting ready to email it). Why isn't Neo ever pissed that Eric, Dana, and others ended up with the report because Manny was passing it out like candy? Nope, Neo goes directly to Dana and calls her a fucking bitch.
Delete@Manny I think Neo also went ex girlfriend on you. The man seems to exist only for you. His claims of “he stole my work” are laughable. Per his own book, he sought you out to assist you. You worked together, always gave him his credit in the video series. Even after your split, I’ve heard you give him his plaudits. Yet for years all we’ve heard was “he stole my work, liar, manipulator, wait for my book, etc.” While I liked his book for the most part, it sure landed like a thud.
DeleteAnd kudos to you and Nathan for burying the hatchet, these posts have been informative and entertaining. I don’t agree with Nathan on this case, but I am glad he engaged with Manny in a positive way. Wish this is how it could have always been. Good luck in Puerto Rico.
NEO's book is so full of shit that I didn't even know where to begin. So I just ignored it completely. The guy is delusional. He actually thinks he was the star of the show and that he did everything. My attitude at this point is let the little guy think what he wants. The truth is, he was fired by the City of Yonkers and sent to psychiatrists and lost his pension all because of this SOS crap. He literally went nuts and it's all he talked about. People got so disturbed he actually lost his city job. Do you know how crazy you have to be to be fired by Yonkers?
DeleteAnyhow, from the small portions I read of his doorstopper, it's all lies. He actually claims I was afraid to go into the Neto attic, which is nuts. It was MY IDEA! He also claims I was rude to the Neto's and they didn't like me. Weird because I'm on a first name basis with them and often will just ring their bell and hang out with them to this very day. I got them in the new documentary for crying out loud!
Nate was always harmless and I was always entertained by him, so I was happy to make a post here, even though it's pretty vicious against me. It's ok though. I don't get offended. I won't be the one to break the truce, although his girl Dana is really saying some nasty and untrue stuff lately regarding me and Nik Schreck.
Thanks for the nice comment. NEO basically is the world's biggest ballbagger besides Rocker Mike and to a lesser degree Dana. They recognize I'm the king and they just want a little attention to come their way by using my work. I get it. I might do the same thing if I was in their position. It's what people who can't do original work always fall back on. Wendy Savino really broke all their minds. Like severely.
@Anon
DeleteThanks! It was fun and at times funny. At least for me.
@Manny
I have no reason to break the truce. No new memes, no new rebuttal-posting.
If I want to talk about SOS, I’ll talk about SOS. I don’t think there’s an audience for it though. The “fuck Manny” posts get more views than any other lol.
@Nate
DeleteIt will all wear off pretty soon. I'm not putting out any new content and people like OHRM can only get so far with the hate. The dude is literally going nuts writing AI generated blogs because he thinks I'm posting under a false name to him. It's just objectively bizarre. But like I said, I'm onto other things and SOS is in the rear view.
OHRM?
DeleteOff His Rocker Mike
DeleteMike’s very close to Carl and very protective. That’s the impression I get.
DeleteManny didn’t have to call a truce.
DeleteThanks Manny.
I wasn’t looking forward to spending the rest of my life shaking my fist in the direction of PR anyway.
What kinda pie is your favorite, TD?
ReplyDeleteIt ain't cherry or fish pie. Ten bucks you've never smacked down on a cherry ir fish in your life.
You seem more like a pork pie guy. Lots of meat. . .
I like your mother's pie the best, Hector...it's extra 'tangy with a hint of spice...but nobody would ever mistake it for being cherry...aged tuna, maybe...
DeleteTD
TD,
DeleteYour momma wears army boots, loser.
-Achilles
TD
ReplyDeleteMay I call you Homo Erectus from here on out?
Lol...all you Manny Minions proving how sub-par you are at everything is making my day just a little bit brighter and more enjoyable.
DeleteTD
TD has us all in the palm of his hand. Silky dick TD.
DeleteI TOLD YOU TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY KITCHEN. T(ur)D. You fucking donkey!!
This JACKASS PoinDexter has a long history of infiltrating various Son of Sam forums/platforms over the years, just to reek havoc and cause chaos.
ReplyDeleteHe has a similar MO to The Pervert that we dealt with a while back, yes.
DeleteHe tries to give his comments an air of menace too, lol. Sometimes I picture James Spader from Less than when T(ur)D starts his nonsense.
The "HECTOR" references were the dead give away. He's been using that over the years (under different aliases. I believe it's a reference to someone who used yo work with MG in the gardening business). Just vile and vulgar stuff that turns a decent conversations into BS and nonsense. Just like what happened here.
Delete*Less Than Zero
DeleteHe sent me a couple of comments earlier calling me a wigger lol.
DeleteYeah, that's his MO. He's a real POS. Here's a comment from someone (user name GAZ. Not me) on Criminal Justice Chris's Medium site - "He posts as Tom Dexter on that SOS blog that Nathan runs. He has various Twitter accounts, Dr Satanicus Ocularium was another, and posted all over the old Kidkenoma blog on Mr Real Estate. He’s an awful, miserable piece of human waste."
DeleteI shudder to think what he gets out of all of it.
DeleteLet’s call a spade a spade (now we’re speaking TD’s language) he was also justice seeker. But what he really is a toothless hick who couldn’t find Brooklyn on a map. He smokes Winston’s, his mother is also definitely a cousin and he should be lucky some of us don’t care enough about his horrible racism to get his EBay account suspended. Not as slick as you think you are Ace. And publish that book, so we can make sure all of your racist bullshit comes to life. You were never a Terry Head. We tolerated you
DeleteBook?!?! Good God…
DeleteManny, not only how but why did you end up with Parker’s personal info?
ReplyDeleteI'd like an answer to that to. It has happened more than once. My guess is abusing the NYPD subpoena on correspondence.
DeleteParker, here. Manny has already explained this ad nauseam in his video series. You'll find frequent mentions of it throughout the Savino era. @Anon, it's exactly as you said: Manny's NYPD detective friends violated the Code of Conduct. They knowingly shared - not just - details from David's mail, but specific identifying information on the people who sent it.
DeleteIt should go without saying that when you send electronic mail to David, it's understood that every word is being read and is subject to approval before it is even passed on - I have zero problem with that. But when a law enforcement official takes personal information and passes it to a youtuber who then makes a video that is seen by 1,091 people.... well, you've got a situation on your hands.
Does anyone know who issued the subpoena onnthe correspondence? Bronx DA? I can't imagine a DA would react well to a subpoena being abused.
DeleteI know of one example where an attorney's general abused a subpoena. Not only was he ousted from office but he was also disbarred.
I doubt any DAs office or any other elected official would want this behavior on record.
Manny is gonna lecture about getting a name wrong?
ReplyDeleteThis is the guy who labeled a PowerPoint on Wendy Savino, Diane Savino.
The irony is rich.
@anon. Yeah, that was a dumb mistake. There's a politician named Diane Savino and I mistakenly put her name in and forgot to edit it out before going live. I hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive me for this major oversight.
DeleteLuckily it didn't affect anything about the story. NYPD still cleared her case naming Berkowitz as her shooter, where it will permanently be enshrined in Son of Sam history. I have a sneaky suspicion that that is what really makes you angry.
But hey, major coup....you exposed that I'm human and occasionally err like all humans do.
Nah. Your Savino research is crap. Everyone knows it.
DeleteHow is Paul Hart doing, btw, Manny?
Looks like meth head NEO and terminally illiterate Rena's channel was nuked. While that definitely makes me happy, due to the fact that they had at least 5-7 totally bullshit shows about Wendy, I did not have anything to do with their channel being removed. Just want that out there before people inevitably say I did.
ReplyDeleteWhat I think happened was they finally got busted for using a lot of copywritten material from Jack Jones and Bill Badgely. All the Killer Tape stuff was copywritten and could not be used without permission. I am friends with Badgely and Jones and they made sure to give me the professional courtesy of a heads up when they made their deal. So that's why you never saw their work on my channel. NEO and Rena would do entire hour long shows using the Killer Tapes. Probably they finally got three copyright strikes, which is an immediate termination.
It's better for them even though they probably are angry. It must be frustrating to constantly ballbag me for internet clout, only to reach a maximum of 200 subscribers and virtually zero view counts. The little guy's book turned out to be his undoing. I saw it coming a mile away and was having a great time the whole way.
Holy shit.
DeleteIf that's the case, copyright strikes, why not just remove the offending videos? YouTube didn't have to take the whole thing down.
Good question. The answer is I have no clue. I'm just speculating on the copyright thing.
DeleteThere's no way that they took it down voluntarily, so they must have violated some rule. Youtube generally doesn't care about slander and defamation, which they committed against me many times, so it couldn't be that. Who knows? I'm just glad to see their shit gone. They just became too obsessed with me and forgot all about the case. Their Savino hatred was off the charts. Just really nasty people making fun of her and her family.
The timing is funny.
DeleteI didn’t take it down and I seriously doubt you did either.
Nope. I have no time to be reporting people. Plus that's just not my style. I'm no communist or liberal.
DeleteI'm starting to suspect this is related to other deeper machinations though, but I'll keep my thoughts to myself.
Yep.
DeleteWell let’s just ask Tom Dickhole.
DeleteHe’s going around telling everyone he has it all figured out.
I won’t miss this shit, Manny.
Manny stop it. Who cares about their worthless channel. But you really expect people to believe that after their AI image of you and the Wendy takedown video (interesting point btw about DB never shooting into the driver side) and you reporting bright and early that their channel is down, you have nothing to do with it? You throw a hissy fit if someone orders food from Wendy’s without acknowledging there was a victim named Wendy. And how great is it that even the Post published an article about Berkowitz and didn’t count her as a victim. There are like 5 people in the world that believe that bullshit. Paul Hart is about to make it less. You can keep acting like you’re just some passive observer, moving on and calling it a day. Reality is you let SOS ruin your life, not much differently than man you claim you despise, but more and more it’s pretty clear you sympathize and identify with him. And hey at least he got a couple of checks out of it. You’ve got fuck all to show.
ReplyDeleteI'm very sorry this is happening to you. Enjoy the interview!
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YP-rNo0dTk
Yeah that’s your little game when you can’t lie your way out a response. You’re a fucking joke and the shit your cop friends pulled. Giving you Jessica’s information so you could taunt her on air makes them jokes too. That investigation was also a joke and you lied to them about the Cassara dates. Btw, do you think Neil deGrasse goes around telling people he’s a science expert, does your buddy Shreck call himself a Manson expert? You know what you’re in an expert in? Being a scumbag compulsive liar. Run off to PR where hopefully there’s a massive crop failure.
DeleteDamn, someone sounds hella angry. I suggest you work on that a bit. Enjoy the interview!
DeleteLol. Says the guy who flies off the handle when his research is criticized and has to personally attack people.
DeleteI think Manny hates Berkowitz but why?
Berkowitz hated his in Jewishness. Manny is part Jewish.
Berkowitz expressed disliking Puerto Ricans. Manny is part Puerto Rican.
Berkowitz had the tendency to pathologicaly lie when he was younger. Manny pathologicaly lies.
Berkowitz had issues fitting in during K-12. So did Manny and he has said he was bullied in school.
Manny likes to victimize people but not in the same capacity including psychologically abusing just for the hell of it.
Like battling his own reflection.
Nobody is jealous of you Manny. Get a grip. They only think your research is crap.
I absolutely enjoyed it! That was the definition of abuse.
DeleteYo Manny.
ReplyDeleteYou better get to work growing pineapples for Stone's upside down cakes.