A reader sent me this detailed analysis of the Savino case, asking me to share with you guys and I was happy to oblige.
Later, Rocker Mike asked me to hold off for a few days and I was once again happy to help.
I apologize for any confusion or inconvenience. But now it’s back!
Guilty Until Proven Innocent: Wendy Savino, The Grossman Files, the NYPD, Politics, the Mafia, David Berkowitz, and the Sons of Sam
Also, we have a second Medium piece, this one concerning the Dawn Koons case (with an assist by George from cavdef.org).
Inequalities in Justice: Did Prentice Foreman Murder Dawn Koons? A Brief Bakersfield Police Report Review.
Reminder: David Berkowitz claimed to have known Dawn from Untermyer.
Thank you for your patience. I hope you find both of these articles as interesting and informative as I did.
I LOVE THIS CROWD!!
What I think is Manny is going to look pretty pretty incompetent.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to make a quick editorial comment that has nothing to do with the parties mentioned above.
ReplyDeleteNobody owns this case.
Our friend Dana from Rotting Jewels often says, "I'm not here to tell you what to think". I believe that one of the reasons her YouTube show has become such a success relies in part on this philosophy.
I try to work along the same lines with this page. I'm showing you what I have found and what I think about it. But given the climate of the "Son of Sam community", I think it's important to point out that none of us can claim proprietorship- not me, not Manny, not the Gutter Mouth twins, not Josh Zeman, and not even Maury Terry's family.
In my defense, I make it very clear that I am on Maury's side. That's the long and the short of it. Down the line you will not find any ulterior motive on MY behalf because there is none.
Dana also inspires her audience by saying, "don't let anyone tell you that you're stupid". Agreed 100%. Don't let certain people "big league" you, especially seeing as how they've been exposed as hacks and bullshit artists as it is...ha, "so be it," lol.
We should all be open to new or different perspectives and I certainly don't mind arguing up a storm. But I draw the line at appeals to (crooked) authority and being intentionally lied to.
Oh by the way. I don’t take instructions or advice from people with no credibility. And I won’t save your shitty YouTube show with an appearance guaranteed to triple your views. Bitch-hog.
DeleteNathan,
Delete"But I draw the line at appeals to (crooked) authority and being intentionally lied to."
Amen to that. In that vein, the reason I used a couple sockpuppet IDs to communicate with the OG Inner Circle was because I didn't trust what I was being told when I communicated with them in good faith under my real name.
And my instincts were spot on; not only did they lie and mislead when speaking to me, they gave radically different answers regarding the same topics to my sockpuppets...you know, the same thing Carl alleged Maury did, and which Carl allegedly had such a problem with?
And then they aligned (temporarily?) with a mentally unstable, narcissistic imbecile with delusions of grandeur and then an even dimmer narcissistic imbecile with delusions of adequacy and all the tell-tale signs of being a dope fiend.
So, yeah...appeals to authority from THAT bunch? GTFOH. They're all corrupt and compromised in my view.
Regarding that Medium piece about Dawn Koons...Christ Almighty, that thing was teeming with liberal Social Justice Warrior ethos.
All due respect to George, whose work I actually respect, but I question exactly how deeply he looked into Prentice Foreman's background.
Not mentioned in the Medium article, since the focus was all on the liberal "systemic racism" angle, are Prentice Foreman's verifiable connections to Clearwater, FL...probably just a coincidence, I'm sure...
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@TD
DeleteYou bring to mind something else Dana says: “I’m not here to make friends”.
Nathan,
DeleteLol...absolutely. She and I are apparently like-minded in that regard.
I'm not looking for friends...I'm looking for truth.
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@TD - My views on the case mainly involve general law enforcement misconduct, though I doubt Foreman's race helped either. I didn't pull that out of a hat just because Foreman is black: I've had sources in the area tell me of local LE having a racism problem, which they brought up in a broader context of corruption. (Look up the Lords of Bakersfield case for an example of how corrupt it could get.) But ultimately, no matter what color Foreman was, my issue is with the shoddy case they built. Using one of the former prime suspects to tell dubious stories in court about the person they wanted to convict doesn't sit right with me.
DeleteThe blog does state my position with a bit less nuance than in reality. Maybe I should have asked the author to clarify it further. My belief for a while has been that Foreman was wrongly convicted: which is not just about whether the right person was identified, but also the legitimacy of the state's theory of the crime and the evidence they presented. The many alternate suspects and the way the case was handled generally lead me to think that Foreman was innocent. However, I've also left myself open to the possibility that he was somehow involved. The only thing I really don't buy is the idea of Dawn being killed in a random sex crime with no relation to her prior history in New York.
I haven't come across Foreman's connection to Clearwater, but I would be very interested in knowing more about what you've discovered. That probably would shift my thinking from factually-innocent to involved-but-there's-more-to-it.
George and I collaborated on this article together. So, I'll be clear where I am coming from so people understand my point of view. One of my undergraduates is in Criminal Justice. In the field of Criminal Justice, we are required to respect suspect names, witness names, sources names. Otherwise, if you do not respect the sources, they are going to be far less likely to speak in the future. This includes others who have seen others speak and face dire consequences. The same ethos applies in the field of journalism.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if someone fell asleep at the wheel on this report, but it is heavily unredacted. Maybe whoever approved it was tired of the ongoing coverup. Maybe they made a major error in judgment and did not properly redact a lot of information. Regardless, I DO NOT want retaliation or harassment of people who are listed in the report. I'd be a "lunatic" to feel otherwise and perhaps a "crank". Neither does George. If someone was injured or lost their lives, I personally would not be able to sleep at night.
Maybe Manny Grossman feels ok with liberally publishing names on his community page and facing the risk of litigation if someone is injured or is killed, but that decision is on him. I have my own ethos. We all have to live with our own decisions. And, if I certainly don't want my information floated to the public, it seems like it would be hypocritical for me to float other names.
My main concern is vigilantism. Regardless of who was involved, we have a criminal justice system that was put in place to handle these issues, including corruption. I personally do not feel comfortable floating this report out to the entire community because it is infested with double and triple agents. And please don't forget how many people died when Maury Terry was investigating the case.
And David Berkowitz was attacked when he first started speaking about the case. He has a large scar on his neck to demonstrate it.
Does George own this report? No. Do I own the report? No. Did we provide it as a courtesy to Carl because of his dedicated years of research with Maury Terry, which none of us would have if David Berkowitz had not cooperated with him? Yes. Carl is a victim. Carl has safeguarded prior documents. Carl was owed the courtesy of reviewing the document to see if there is anything else he can add based on prior conversations with Maury Terry. Carl has been name called, consistently victimized, and is owed a courtesy to see if there is anything he can add before anything else is done.
As for teeming with liberal social justice? Well, I'd disagree. It is a well demonstrated fact in research that African American men and women are more likely to be convicted of crimes than their white counterparts when they are factually innocent. And police departments have roots in slave patrol which is why racism tends to be a problem within some departments in the United States, besides heavy socioeconomic differences that contribute to higher criminal activity in certain geographic regions. The more people that recognize the problem? The better we'll all get along. Think about that one.
I'm with George that Prentice Foreman was more likely to be aggressively pursued as a suspect and incarcerated because of his race. But that doesn't mean he is innocent or that he acted alone. It still doesn't excuse how the case was handled and the wholly apparent misconduct and corruption in the case. George and I had the discussion when we were collaborating related to how Prentice Foreman handled himself with questioning. It wasn't a good look, but police are trained to handle and to deescalate rudeness. Being an asshole doesn't make you guilty, though. Maybe it just speaks volumes about how a person of another race has experienced law enforcement in our country. Best to step out of yourself for a minute and take another person's point of view. Our experiences are not all equal.
But, I'd like to say thanks to George for helping me "crank" out another article so fast. Hi Manny.
Hello Mz. Clew...
DeleteSo ONE of your undergraduates is Criminal Justice, eh? That's nice...just curious, but what are the others?
As far as providing that report to Carl as a courtesy...I'm sure he'll get around to reading it in as timely a manner as he read that Process literature Berkowitz gave him...
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@TD
DeleteThanks for the appropriate code name. Clew it is.
I've been trying to follow the damn threading on this case now for almost 2 1/2 years. So you could not have chosen a better one.
@nathan
ReplyDeleteAlso, could you please post David Berkowitz's lease application on your blog? And take a screen print of Manny's community post which shows the snippet of his "lease agreement"? This snippet he edited out is his lease application. To be clear, a lease application and a lease agreement are two different things: one is contractually binding and the other is not. The application also clearly lists how they will distribute the lease agreement to David Berkowitz once it is executed following approval. I emailed you the FBI FOIL release of mine which I obtained about a year ago.
I posted this to SOS Connections about a year ago, interacted with John Catalano, and he said he had never seen it before and thanked me for giving him a copy of it. John should remember the post because I also provided John with his debt-to-income calculation demonstrating he was in the red each month and would have needed undocumented income, illegal, to pay his bills monthly. I accounted for federal, state, FICA, Medicare, etc. So, Manny clearly had this lease application well before reporting David Berkowitz to the NYPD, saying he had a 14-day missing period and implied he was living out of his car.
Why post a snippet and mislead the audience?
As for Manny attacking me? I personally don't care and it says a lot more about him than myself. I also don't personally know him but he sure seems sensitive to criticism even when it is constructive.
I also didn't write the blogs for profit but they are now out there none the less and the research community has the information, including citations, and can build off of it.
“Selective Editing Mook” strikes again.
DeleteMr. Dexter,
DeleteLol. No one can spell the name right.
My other undergraduates are in Psychology and English with minors in Social and Behavioral Methodology (statistical design) and Classical Studies. I also have a few research certificates: English, Psychology, and Classics.
Overeducated? Yes. But every bit helps.
As for Carl, he has more information about one suspect and we feel like he can add by giving him the time to sift through all the documents he has. Could you be nicer to Carl, please? He didn't pressure either of us for the report. It was our decision.
Chris,
DeleteI'm aware of the correct spelling...I guess one needs to be versed in Zodiac lore to get the joke, or in this case the meaning conveyed, by my spelling it the way I did.
In general, I might agree with you about education, except when it leads to "professional student syndrome" and all the related tendencies people of that ilk display. Given the sorry state of "higher education" and it's proponents over the past few decades, and the numerous ethical lapses of those who are in charge of institutions of higher learning (some might say indoctrination, even), I have a tendency to treat anything from anyone of that quarter with skepticism.
Regarding Carl...I have a level of sympathy for Carl the SoS victim. Carl the SoS researcher? Not so much.
All I'm saying is don't be surprised if he never weighs in on the report you provided him in any meaningful way.
Carl the SoS researcher and group admin has been lazy, lax, deceptive, and too susceptible to the whims of outside forces, with a tendency to make decisions based on his personal likes and appeals to celebrity, instead of what could actually get him closer to the answers he professes to seek.
For me to stay silent to that reality, or deny it outright, would be hypocritical...and that's something this dude won't abide...
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@TD.
DeleteFair enough.
Just to weigh in on Carl, though.
Carl is a victim, has been grossly unheard by the NYPD and other related to how his crime scene was handled, and I think he is primarily guilty of falling victim to anybody, anyone, willing to listen to him in order to get down to the truth.
Manny Grossman essentially befriended Carl through appealing to his story and interest in the case. Carl, being kind of overly trusting, in my opinion, didn't see through the thick veneer, the mask. So, he vouched for Manny which helped him to gain access to documents.
The problem I have is these files were not in Carl's possession--they were in Joshua Zeman's possession. He was placed as a steward for the files. Joshua Zeman clearly should have done thorough background checks on individuals attempting to gain access to the documents, required a signed airtight legal agreement, should have pursued legal action when the NDA was breached by numerous people, and he should have made people sign ethical statements related to revealing witness names, source names, associate names, and suspect names. The information in these files, if leaked by a corporation, would have been subject to a data breach. And a class action would have been pursued.
Instead, Joshua Zeman failed to protect everyone involved which is a big problem in my point of review. And it certainly reflects a lack of respect for David Berkowitz's safety, a man who has a large scar on the side of his neck from one failed murder attempt. Joshua Zeman provided documents to a man who hoses people's yards for a living and is now hosing his audience because it feeds into his ego and also ingratiates himself to law enforcement, a man who father has PR ties to law enforcement in the state of NY and PR ties to the Department of Corrections. I think Manny Grossman has a lot of issues, including daddy issues. . .thank GOD he isn't related to the Bush's or maybe he'd be up for invading Iraq again. . .
The relationship his father has is a clear conflict of interest and should have been caught pre-release of files. I don't believe this falls on Carl. I think it falls on Joshua.
I also think Manny Grossman and Joshua Zeman should be litigated, there is a clear case for litigation, but it is obviously not up to me to decide.
Carl and I have had our differences of opinion, have also had it out here and there related to some of the observations you have also made, but in the end, I think Carl is a decent person, albeit making some bad judgment calls. I've been guilty of making bad judgment calls myself, so I can't be too judgmental. I have not exactly sugar coated it with Carl, just so you know. Regardless, he has been given the opportunity to look more into one suspect with ties to Robert "Tocco" Grady. If you dig through Maury Terry's files (assuming you have them), you'll find the name on Grady's social media page. I'll let you take a wild guess who his arresting officer was in one report, and it didn't happen at McDonald's or while the guy was driving a cab. . .
@Nathan
ReplyDeleteObviously this post has nothing to do with this blog, but I know Manny Grossman has a fetish for reading your blogs, so I'm going to post something and make myself 100% clear.
Manny keeps making allegations about David Berkowitz making a "wish list" for Amazon. I'm not exactly sure who he is referring to. But he also made a snide comment, then promptly took it down, that I am possibly one of David Berkowitz's commissary providers, implying David Berkowitz hits people up for things he wants or needs.
First of all, I'd LOVE to know where Manny is getting this information. And I hope he continues to make these allegations, because here is what is going to happen.
Every time Manny makes a post like this it will get screen printed and saved. Every time he makes a podcast, people are burning them and saving them. So, no destroying of forensic evidence, Manny.
Once there is enough information collected and posted, I'll personally seek permission to publish letters. The letters will then be compared with Manny Grossman's allegations, and it will be done publicly. The end. Manny WILL NOT like the end result, including me personally pursuing legal recourse and him being publicly embarrassed.
I do not want to have to resort to this to be honest. But Manny is going to leave me with no other resource if he keeps his childish antics up.
I'll go one better: some of the information came from a detective looking into the Savino case. BIG.FUCKING.MISTAKE.
Delete--Parker