(12:34) “Mike Lorenzo, in our, in our video about Untermyer Park and urban myths, brings up some great points about how, like, Yonkers wouldn't have stood for that crap [dog sacrifices]. "
"And, and, and cops who were dating nurses at, at St. John's - if a nurse had truly said, ‘they're raping women in, in Untermyer Park. We see fires and chanting and dead dogs,’ the cops would have been down there busting heads in the 1970's like you wouldn't believe.”
I have a question.
Where in The Ultimate Evil or Mr. Terry's notes or in any televised Maury Terry production does it say anything about nurses who dated cops and watched as people were being raped in Untermyer Park?
Please provide the page number or timestamp. Whatever you have on hand is fine with me.
I have all the files so you can direct me to the proper folder or you can tell me where to look on The People Vs. David Berkowitz website, whatever it takes to set me straight on this matter.
I'm not saying it is not written down or spoken somewhere. What I do know for sure is that there is a passage in The Ultimate Evil which seems to echo the horror show outlined by Mr. Grossman above:
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(14:09) “…’it was already established that a network was in place. Process members, using the name Process and mingling with existing OTO factions, were seen openly in New York and the city as late '73. The time frame fit.’"
"I mean, I'm just trying to figure out what the hell I'm reading over here! You're going from Chingones to Lynette Fromme to "Squeaky" Fromme to Arliss Perry, what the hell…”
Fabulous, here we have another teachable moment.
First of all, Mr. Grossman, it's Chingons, not Chingones. Anyone who claims to be an expert who knows The Ultimate Evil backwards and forwards is - or should be - well acquainted with this foul gang.
They were even mentioned in The Anatomy of Witchcraft, the book David Berkowitz sent to Lieutenant Terry Gardner in Minot. This particular copy, by the by, was said to have been owned by Mr. John Carr himself before it reached the hands of David Berkowitz.
Second, Lynette and "Squeaky" are the same person.
That being said here is my next question: Manny, why do you claim to have read The Ultimate Evil hundreds of times and yet you sound like this is your first time to ever go over this passage?
You have studied the book and the case since 1992, correct? Not to mention various other questionable claims over the years. Yet you are clueless as to how the Chingones or "Squeaky" Fromme fit into the overall "thesis".
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Manny, my dear, I can't get over just how bad you fumble so much of this. And you know the book backwards and forwards?
Final question: who is foolish enough to believe you? I know people watch you, I am aware that people support you, but I am not quite sure if or why they believe you.
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Post Script: I gives me great joy to transcribe Mr. Grossman word-for-word seeing as how people like myself or Ms. Dana are said to speak in a "grunt-sounding language".
Another great article. Feet to the fire. It amazes me, either how naive MG is in regards to law enforcement, or how stupid he thinks his audience is. His whole narrative hinges on the police being proactive. Law enforcement is just a job, like any other. You get your orders, your task, you go out and work. Didn't I read in those DA files through a FOIA that YPD was ordered to destroy all files previous to 1980-something due to space management? Pretty convenient if you ask me. I was in the military and we had warehouses full of stupid requisition documents. I digress.
ReplyDeleteThe point is, even if doctors and nurses or just people out at the park afterhours reported "cult-like" activity. You have to work through law enforcement channels. Even if you get a reaction, they might just send one or two officers to check it out. How much square footage of forest do they have to cover at night with flashlights? Exactly how much actual evidence of a crime do they have to reference comparably to how much hearsay and exaggeration from overworked and underpaid healthcare employees?
Lastly, consider how many videos we see these days of people witnessing a crime in a city, or in the subway, or in a park, and they just mind their own business. We are supposed to believe that people in Yonkers in the 70s were these gung ho vigilantes that would not stand for these shenanigans? Then why was there so much crime in NY in the 70s? Why is it so difficult to accept cults when there were active gangs everywhere? MG is ridiculous.
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DeleteThey called NYC "Fear City" for a reason and it definitely was not the criminals who were afraid.
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DeleteThink about doing a blog that researches the history of sexual assault by law enforcement and discuss why many victims fail to report the crimes due to treatment by law enforcement. This isn't a new thing. There was even a problem in 2022.
Well published and documented in academic journals and frequently discussed in intro Criminology courses. Supporting documentation will not be hard to find.
If women were raped, it is highly unlikely law enforcement properly acted, investigated, let alone showed the survivors respect in questioning.
Sure. Rape crisis centers started forming in the early 70s because of femist movements. But it certainly doesn't mean it took off and was taken seriously by law enforcement right away. Nothing takes off that fast when it comes to human rights.
I think MG is possibly summarizing and maybe taking something out of context in the book. It has been a couple of years since I read the book, but there is an account if a woman getting rated in the park that wanted to observe the cult. Following her rape, she either overdosed willfully or accidentally. I don’t remember clearly which.
ReplyDeleteI do believe there is something about nurses saying they saw cult activity from the hospital. I don't remember police officers dating the nurses, though. Correct me if I'm wrong.
As for sacrificed dogs? I think it us fairly doubtful that an understaffed, underfunded, police department in the 70s would have actively investigated animal abuse. The 70s were far different from today related to animal rights.
I don't believe there is an understanding of how policing works and what issues are prioritized. Crime was high in the 70s, budget cuts were made, police were in short supply. Under normal conditions, they would have placed law enforcement at grave sites to see if the killer showed up, because it is fairly normal. But they were so understaffed that law enforcement was not stationed at any if them.
When were SVU's created in law enforcement? I'm pretty sure rape wasn't much of a priority for law enforcement either for awhile. The FBI didn't even publish profiling for sexual homocide until the late 70s or early 80s.